LOL, just another mindless rant by the madman.
The temple was a place of worship. The Israelites were monotheists when most of the world was steeped in polytheism. So it makes sense that the Israelites had built a place dedicated to the worship of Allah (swt). The Kaaba at this time would have been under the control of pagans. But since the Israelite prophets were only sent to the Israelites, they could not initiate a global religion. It would require a final message for all mankind, not just one group. What better nation to start that new movement than the Arabs. But first, the Arabs themselves had to be reformed. They had deviated from the religion of their father Abraham (pbuh) and had to be brought back into the fold. Once that was done, the Kaaba was rededicated to Allah (swt).
Ka’bah is not a temple. Ka’bah is a miniature of City of the Heavenly Jerusalem with a cubicle structure, four walls, the stream of Zamzam below the foundation (allusion for the healing rivers), and the sideways yard (allusion for the Tree of Life), and foundation stone of the Black Stone (allusion for 12 foundation stones), and 3 pillars inside Ka’bah (allusion for 3 gates of each sides for the New Jerusalem).
Facts of the New Jerusalem: there’s no temple, no menorah, no Ark, no Torah’s tablet, no statue of cherubim, no veil or curtain, no Aaron’s staff, not pot of manna, no table for showbread, and no altar of incense.
Allah designs a tabernacle and a temple, just as the Tanach explains, for the Jews so long as they obey Him, and He ordered its destruction only after they disobeyed Him.
A fact of the second and a prolonging destruction of Jewish temple is a proof to the world how the Jews were totally wrong on rejecting John and Jesus as God’s Prophets, just as the Gospel promised that, or otherwise Jesus got counted as a big liar.
Ka’bah, built by Adam and rebuilt by Abraham, has re-functioned again after Prophet Muhammad liberated it in a peaceful way. History records that Iliya or Aelia (city of Jerusalem in Arabic, slightly different from Al Aqsa site) was liberated from the Trinitarian empire by the caliph Umar Ibn Al-Khattab in a peaceful way as well.
So the Islamic claim of Jerusalem’s “temple-less site” is just another liberation that characterises Islam.
It makes no sense to arbitrarily jump from the Kaaba of Abraham to an elaborate structure with sacred furniture, priesthood and the sacrifial rituals which make no sense from an islamic point of view and revert back to the kaaba again. This just proves that Mohammed stole judaism so he could line up some prophets behind him and for no other reason. The temple and the priesthood was just extra baggage that he jettisoned by wrongly associating the Kaaba, a pagan structure, with Abraham. Islam makes Abraham a pagan muslim
Islam teaches that repentance or worship, which are basically the same, is all that is needed for atonement. The temple asserts the idea that the mediation of the killed offering through a priesthood is required for atonment. These two are mutually exclusive. This proves that Islam could never have expressed itself through OT Judaism. It’s claim to have done so was just another deception of this false religion.
Lol, here is madman’s mantra:
Say something nonsensical, and when it gets refuted, repeat said nonsense and hope no one notices.
In the Bible, God said that He desires mercy, not sacrifice. The sacrificial system was meant to be temporary, although if one reads Ezekiel, it was supposed to last forever. But of course, Bible contradictions are not a new thing. Lol.
The Jews do believe that their system is supposed to last forever. But then along came the Satanic false apostle Paul and suddenly the law was brushed aside. This is a dilemma for Christians because the Bible does say in Ezekiel that the law will be established for all times. Nothing in there about a mangod dying for everyone’s sins. It’s not a problem for Muslims.
Speaking of paganism, the Biblical god is apparently an old man with white hair. See the book of Daniel. This imagery is borrowed from Canaanite mythology. So the Bible associates God with a pagan deity! Ouch!!!
Lol, madman’s keeps making ignorant statements about Islam. The lying spirit is strong with you!
Islam came to reaffirm the pristine monotheism of ALL the prophets. That does not mean that some aspects could not be changed. The sacrificial system is one example. Dietary changes were also made.
The only deception is in Christianity which worships a mangod like paganism and then claims that it’s monotheism. It’s no wonder that there are 100 million apostates every year. People are leaving this false religion in droves! I have a friend who just converted to Islam about a month ago! Alhamdulilah!
“madmanna says: Islam teaches that repentance or worship, which are basically the same, is all that is needed for atonement. ”
Worship without temple and without sacrifice just continues among the Jews – as in the prayer of Daniel toward Jerusalem – despite the first temple was burned down to ashes. Jonah just saves the Ninevites with the way of repentance for sin remission without requiring any blood, without temple, without priest, without sacrifice.
In the NT the Spirit immediately indwells Cornelius by just hearing a sermon that never mentions the atonement thru sacrifice at all.
“The temple asserts the idea that the mediation of the killed offering through a priesthood is required for atonment. ”
Not really. There are too many counter arguments from the Bible itself that asserts otherwise. In a nutshell, prayer is more substantial for atonement than sacrifice.
How about the repentance of the Ninevites without sacrifice?
How about the prayers during the Babylonian captivity without sacrifice?
How about the heavenly acceptance of Enoch without blood, the protection of Noah from the Flood without blood? the appointment and service of Melchisedek as the high priest of without blood?
How about Cyrus whom God appointed as the anointed one without having to obtain remission of sin thru sacrifice or blood?
How about Cornelius with the indwellingness of Spirit without even acknowledging any sacrifice?
“These two are mutually exclusive. ”
A forgiveness with prayers without sacrificial bloods is counted much better, wider, with inclusive scope.
“This proves that Islam could never have expressed itself through OT Judaism. ”
No, Islam expresses itself consistently thru the Monotheism that precedes Judaism, goes along with the Jewish Prophets, as well as Mandeans and Arians from the race of Shem, even with the Monotheists from the race of Japheth (such as Alexander Romance, Ephesian Cave’s sleepers) and Monotheists from the race of Ham (such as Lukman and Pharaoh’s wife).
“madmanna says: It makes no sense to arbitrarily jump from the Kaaba of Abraham to an elaborate structure with sacred furniture, priesthood and the sacrifial rituals which make no sense from an islamic point of view and revert back to the kaaba again. ”
There’s no temple whatsoever any longer when Islam comes, and the so-called “first Qiblah” just knocks down a deceptive pride of the Jews by exposing a fact how their ancestors stole a portion of land from Ishmael, Esau and especially from Jebusites (indigenous inhabitants of Salem) before changing the original name of Salem city to “Jerusalem”.
“This just proves that Mohammed stole judaism so he could line up some prophets behind him and for no other reason. ”
Well, for the sake of argument, let us suppose that the Arab’s liberation of Jerusalem from the Trinitarian empire in 7th century is as a “theft”, yet it doesn’t correctly make them a “petty thief of the Jews” who had been miserably expelled away for long time ago from there.
The Arabs liberated the city from the Trinitarians, not from the Jews.
Arabs just can’t steal anything from the nonexistent Jews in Jerusalem.
“The temple and the priesthood was just extra baggage that he jettisoned by wrongly associating the Kaaba, a pagan structure, with Abraham.”
This old issue again, eh?
Toward the Jews, we can say that it is too silly – if not a chutzpah – for those Jews who worship toward two brazen statues of cherubim inside of the Jewish temple, to even think or label one empty cubical house as a “pagan structure”.
Toward the Christian, it suffices it for us Moslems to entirely shut up the Trinitarian’s mouth when accusing the Ka’bah of being a pagan structure by simply referring to Paul in Acts 17:3 who just agrees to elevate a Gnostic altar – dedicated to the so-called “Unknown God” in the city of Athens – to be rightly associated with a Monotheist altar of the Abrahamic God.
As it’s often said in figurative speech, the Trinitarians should be forced to taste their own medicine.
” Islam makes Abraham a pagan muslim”
Worse, the “Unknown God” is not so much a specific deity, but it had been once used to accommodate and incorporated a syncretism of so many Non-Greek religions, cults and beliefs into one single Grecian Gnosticism. Now, Paul just comes to announce it big time that a Greek-made altar is a holy place for the true God. That doesn’t make Paul a pagan.
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
“In the Bible, God said that He desires mercy, not sacrifice.”
As a response to sin, yes. Not absolutely. The message of the prophets is directed to the people in their ethical relations to each other and not to the priesthood as such.
“The sacrificial system was meant to be temporary, ”
Yes, it was temporary because it consisted of the types which found their fulfilment in Jesus, the antitype. In Islam the temple has no theological fulfilment and makes no sense.
It would have made more sense for the Jews, if they were Muslims, to have a built a simple, Kaaba-like structure.
The idea that Abraham had to build the Kaaba where it now is also makes no sense unless he was retrospectively, if only in Mohammed’s mind, making it as a preparation for Mohammed.
Madman, you are full of crap.
You contradict your own Bible when you agree that the sacrificial system was meant to be temporary. Not according to Ezekiel! Read that book again and you’ll see what I am talking about.
The contradictions in your theology make Christianity a fool’s religion. You cannot harmonize the Tanakh with the New Testament, even though you regard both as scripture. This is not a problem for Muslims. It’s a problem for you.
And yes, Abraham (pbuh) rebuilt the Kaaba as a preparation for Muhammad (pbuh). It says so in the Quran!
“And remember Abraham and Isma’il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): “Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.”
“Our Lord! Make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
“Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them: For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise” (2:127-129).
First, from rational point of view, it must be much more illogical for the Jews to make the Temple far away from the lands Joshua conquered and allocated for twelve tribes.
Next, Ka’bah is designed as a place of worship for a big universal religion. Jerusalem Temple was meant for a closed, small, tribal religion. Actually Jews had at least two chances or twice occurrences to change their Judaism into such an universal religion long time ago before Islam comes, but they refused due to a strong pride of racism, i.e. after they return from Babylon and after the destruction of the 2nd temple.
As being mentioned previously concerning the altar of “Unknown God” for the Gnostic Athenians, it is revealed clearly that it is so easy for God to provide certain sacred places for Him far away from Jerusalem, for different Monotheist nations other than the sons of Jacob, and even further the Non-Semitic people, without seeing it as a rivalry or misplacing.
Basically, it is fundamentally stated by Solomon that in actual sense no man affords possibly to build a “house” for the Omnipresent God. Thus there’s no excuse to make additional occult based on a place or house or land or structure. Each people got their ancient altars of worship. Jerusalem Temple was not an ultimate trophy for the Monotheists.
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