The Islamic State justifies killing women and children by invoking Muhammad’s example, a post from

This ain’t Karen Armstrong’s Muhammad, this is the real thing: killing women and children is justified in a hadith in which Muhammad waves away those who object. “It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4321)

“Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. (Sunan Abu Dawood 38:4390) Pubescent boys were thus killed, whether they had been combatants or not.

“Isis defends killing women and children as terror group loses territory and troops,” by Lizzie Dearden, Independent, May 6, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

Isis has launched an “extremely defensive” propaganda effort to defend its slaughter of women and children as it struggles to retain territory, troops and attention.

The latest edition of the terrorist group’s Rumiyah magazine celebrated bombings that killed at least 45 people marking Palm Sunday at Coptic churches in Egypt.

Hundreds of people attended the victims’ funerals, with Egyptians of all religions uniting to condemn the bloodshed and the government threatening a new crackdown….

Opponents of Isis, including rival terrorist groups, have cited its killing of women and children – particularly Muslims – in indiscriminate terror attacks as proof of their takfir (disbelief).Christians are also afforded protection under sharia as protected “dhimma”, and were required to pay a special tax under caliphates in the Islamic Golden Age.

In an “interview” in Rumiyah, the leader of Isis’s faction in Egypt admitted that the “prevailing trend in many people’s reactions is that of denunciation, as well as disassociation … and of offering condolences”.

But in a lengthy propaganda article, Isis sought to justify its actions by claiming that “belligerent” Christians in Egypt deserve no protection.

It said it was “permissible” to murder all men and take women, children, the elderly and ill as slaves.

“With regards to those of the non-combatant women and children from among the belligerent Christians who are killed unintentionally, their blood is waste,” the article continued.

It claimed that the murder of women and children in indiscriminate terror attacks or bombardment was also allowed, citing Mohamed’s use of catapults in a medieval city siege….

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  1. Benedict says

    May 7, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    “The Islamic State justifies killing women and children by invoking Muhammad’s example.” –
    What’s all the fuss about? The Christians do that all the time according to their canon.
    Read 1 Corinthians 13.

    • duh swami says

      May 7, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      Do they shout Jesus saves while doing it? I didn’ know there were any of Mohammad examples in the Bible…

        • Musalmaanmasala says

          May 8, 2017 at 8:38 am

          Way to go Benedict.
          Superb sarcasm.
          Just shows the difference between a blood thirsty monster and his evil spreading book and the lessons on love taught in the Bible

      • Greyhound Fancier says

        May 7, 2017 at 5:49 pm

        I think he’s being sarcastic. I Corinthians 13 is the “love” chapter of that epistle.

    • Greg says

      May 7, 2017 at 5:21 pm

      I just read 1 Cor:13, and it does talk about love, as Dave says. It is a teaching about love from Paul, it is not a canon about killing as Benedict says above.

    • kadok says

      May 7, 2017 at 6:41 pm

      He can not explain his comment in any way that will make sense, or be fact or be in any way true.

    • mortimer says

      May 7, 2017 at 9:28 pm

      Benedict should have written (sarc/off). 1 Cor. 13 is the LOVE chapter in the Bible.

      The Golden Rule is the basis of Christian morality. In Islam, K.48.29 is the basis of morality: “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; Those with him are VIOLENT (ashiddaa’) against the unbelievers (kufaar),
      Compassionate amongst themselves.”

    • Marcello Luciano says

      May 8, 2017 at 12:41 am

      the topic is Islamic killing, derailing the topic to another issue logically is called “Red Herring” fallacy ,that turns any logical argument to a piece garbage.

  2. Dave says

    May 7, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    Well…one thing about “Big Mo”…he was ‘equal opportunity’ when it came to murder, rape, underage girls(and probably boys, too) he did it to everyone who was not in lock-step with him.

  3. abad says

    May 7, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    Muhammad’s only love for children was of a paedophilia nature.

    He also hated women, and regularly had sex with goats.

    Muhammad, the poster boy for sexual perversion in Islam.

    • DrBukk says

      May 7, 2017 at 10:36 pm

      Can someone quote the text about sex with domesticated animals being OK in Islam? With goats, would that allow just nanniesr but not billies? Another question is donkeys, are there strictures that allow conjugation with jennies but not jackasses? Which sex of sheep are allowed to be stump-broke, or is it both? Finally curiosity compels me to ask how it is done with camels?

  4. John Hawk says

    May 7, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    There is nothing admirable about the Islamic State, but this much can be said: They are honest about their intentions, and the most devoted of all Muslims. If you want to see The Qur’an and other Islamic texts in practice, look no further than the Islamic State. What’s perplexing is that as these true Muslims get hammered in Iraq and Syria, many want to return to Europe from whence they came — and Europe seems willing to accept them. Truly, there is no cure for stupidity.

  5. Michael says

    May 8, 2017 at 1:25 am

    I think Islam is all-encompassing when it comes to any violence. Anything is okay, as long as ‘Allah’ is uttered before during and after doing it.

    Nothing is ‘sacred’ in Islam except death. And, of course, ‘honor.’ The ‘honor’ of the ‘honorable’ men who assault, mutilate, torture, and murder whomever they want.

    As long as it’s for Allah, anything — literally anything — goes. This seems in perfect keeping with their history and genocides in past centuries.

Some Muslims will claim that Mohammed just applied the law of Moses but the law of Moses states the opposite, thou shalt not kill. So Mohammed should not have killed any of the captives under his control, he should have let them go free. Especially as he was he instigator of the violence that began with his attacks on the Meccan caravans during the holy months during which all parties agreed that it was forbidden to fight. The escalation of the conflict in to an all out war was then just a matter of time as the Meccans could not sit idly by and watch the jugular vein of their supply routes be attacked and plundered at will by Mohammed. The Meccans were thus cunningly manoeuvred by Mohammed in to a war that they had not chosen. After this Mohammed lured the Meccans in to fighting him in the open desert where he could engage them on his own terms and to his own advantage. He even stooped to the tactic of poisoning wells to force the Meccans to retreat.

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  1. θ says:

    A case of the mistaken killing of early night raid is a reason for a famous prohibition: “Thereafter the Messenger of Allah prohibited to kill women and children.”

    Abi Dawud Book 14, Hadith 2666
    Al Sa’b bin Jaththamah said that he asked the Apostle of Allaah about the polytheists whose settlement were attacked at night when some of their offspring and women were smitten. The Prophet: They are of them. ‘Amr bin Dinar used to say: they are regarded in the same way as their parents. Al-Zuhri said: Thereafter the Messenger of Allah prohibited to kill women and children.

  2. θ says:

    Bad mentality of ISIS is like that of notable male converts to Islam, they (ISIS and notorious male converts) are pressured a lot to “prove” themselves in the front of the others. They are pushed forward to be “far more Moslems” than ordinary Moslems in terms of their over-zeal. Hence, ISIS gets itself pressured to be as a foremost fighter against the West abroad afar, whereas it can’t afford to point a finger against the Israel State in front its nose at the Middle East.

    Nevertheless the Middle East is a part of the global conspiracy to have a cheap products and cheap technology. To have a lot of cheap oil, gemstones, rare minerals for luxury and world’s jobs, certain nations ought to be made in continuous war and crisis, such as Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, et cetera. Other way is to make the regimes complying to exert a cheap labor policy, such as in China.

  3. θ says:

    The Shari’ah Law is primarily designated to be the Islamic way of righteousness competition with other versions of Shari’ah of the Jews and the Christians. But a grim reality of the world showed a righteousness alone doesn’t yield much, it isn’t attractive in a long term, it may turn very costly, uneconomical, difficult, and less competitive.

    Hence, the Shari’ah law needs a scapegoat: fighting against the enemies, especially enemies who own much greater resources, namely empires (politics), wealthy lands (economy), and populaces (labors).

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