Hadith “Do Not Greet Jews… Force Them To Narrow Road…” Explained. The victim status of Mohammed called in to question

New piece on a Hadith report that is often misinterpreted…

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Kaleef K. Karim

I have always advised Muslims and others that when you use a Hadith or a Quranic verse, you should know the historical background as why it was said and when it was revealed. If you do not know the very basics of when and why a verse of the Quran was revealed or why the Prophet (p) said a statement, don’t try give an explanation and lead  innocent people astray. Without its historical background one will at times give an interpretation that may be alien to the way it was understood when it was uttered. For example, the following Hadith is often quoted and twisted by individuals who want to paint the Islamic faith negatively:

“Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him…

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  1. Good article!

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  2. The Jews just made preparations to defend themselves against Mohammed who was plotting against them.

    That is not illegal but the obligation of all nations.

    If the Jews were attacking why is Mohammed the one who is riding to their location and not vice versa?

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    • LOL madman! Still living in your personal insane asylum?

      Did you even read the article? It states that the Jews being referred to were the Bani Qurayzah who had betrayed Muhammad during the Battle of the Trench. They had committed treason by violating their treaty obligations. Therefore, the Prophet was justified in marching against them.

      You see, madman, unlike your god who commanded the Israelites to wipe out the Canaanites without provocation, my God only commands fighting in self-defense, which as you said, is not illegal but the obligation of all nations.

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    • “unlike your god who commanded the Israelites to wipe out the Canaanites without provocation”

      Looks like fail failed his OT101 reading comprehension test back in his backwater madrasah.

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    • Hey Lassie! How you doing boy?

      Don’t bark at me you gentile mutt. I’m just describing the genocide your mangod commanded of the Israelites. Dont blame me if it makes uncomfortable. Now be a good boy and go back to your doghouse with your tail between your legs. 😉

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    • Good to see you are still as racist and bigoted as ever failure.

      Sadly, it is you who doesn’t get it, because you still haven’t actually bothered to read the Old Teatament. What did God say about the Canaanites? Remember, you can’t throw Him under the bus because you, my muhammadan friend, are to recognise the Torah as binding.

      You are a radical dear boy, happily justifying slaughtering people as long as you perceive it to be “self defence”. Is it any wonder that so many Muslims think they are being attcked by the west? Is this so you can mercilessly kill people and feel vindicated?

      You are from Australia right? Which muhammadan gang you running with these days? You been arrested by the ME crime squad yet?

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  3. No treaty can demand a total and blind trust in someone who is just a man and capable of anything including being a threat to life and limb. Obviously the Jews judged Mohammed by his words and actions to be a threat to them despite the treaty. In which case they were not bound to comply with it. They took purely defensive measures to protect themselves, not attacking Mohammed in any way.

    Mohammed’s response was both disproportionate and unjustified, not to mention unlawful.

    Thou shalt not kill is a higher law which Mohammed broke in response to this supposed act of treason.

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    • LOL, more insanity from the madman!

      Who are you to decide what a treaty can and cannot justify? The Muslims were fighting for their lives, so your crocodile tears for the Bani Qurayza are out of place.

      And all of this is ironic anyway coming from a hypocrite Christian who justifies the mass slaughter of the Caananites because it’s in his Bible. That’s why no one really takes you silly apologists seriously. And it’s also why your religion is losing adherents in droves. People are tired of your hypocrisy and lies. Poor, poor madman…

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    • Madmanna: Mohammed’s response was both disproportionate and unjustified, not to mention unlawful.

      What would have been a proportionate response considering that if Quraish had won the Battle of Trench then the Muslim community was done for, and considering that the slaughter of Qurayzah served as a massive deterrent to other enemy groups?

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  4. Faiz, still your old self I see.

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  5. So it’s ok to be a bigot to other religous faiths according to Fail and the article, as long the other people are your “enemy”. The Jews and Christians being the enemy apparently justifies Muhammad’s racism. So, who exactly are the enemies of modern Muslims I wonder?

    “all the troubles that exist around the world are because of the Jews. When the Jews are wiped out, then the world would be purified,” Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai (Pakistani scholar)

    Let the Islamic bigotry begin!!!

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    • As if the Bible isn’t the most anti semitic book in the world.

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    • Lol, still not getting it eh?

      The hadith only had to with a specific group. It doesn’t have to be applied to all cases and for all times. No racism there, you mangy little Gentile puppy!

      Also, don’t forget Lassie that your mangod justified racism by separating Jews and Gentiles. If you had been there, you would have had to wait for the Jews to get their shot at salvation first through the mangod. However, if you acknowledged your inferiority as a Gentile dog, then maybe you could get your fill too. Ah, what a lovely Biblical story…

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    • ” It doesn’t have to be applied to all cases and for all times.”

      Says Fail. Epic Fail.

      “Prophet Muhammad’s status as role model and the validity of the sunnah are not limited to his life or to a certain time period. The Holy Quran and the notions of the sunnah state this issue clearly”

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  6. The Jews had no mandate from God to fight Mohammed’s pagan religion extermination war.

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    • Too bad God didn’t take the side of Jews or pagans when Muhammad(saw) fought them to victory.

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    • LOL, yep the only mandate they had was to kill the Caananites!

      But seriously, they signed the treaty which called on both parties to help and cooperate with each other. Thus, the Jews were responsible for their treachery and they got what they deserved.

      Again, all your crocodile tears are worthless since they are coming from a hypocrite pagan trinitarian.

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  7. Faiz: “Who are you to decide what a treaty can and cannot justify? The Muslims were fighting for their lives, so your crocodile tears for the Bani Qurayza are out of place.”

    I reply:

    The pagans were fighting for the survival of their religion, their livelihoods and their lives because Mohammed would accept nothing short of total domination of their society and culture, their holy places, and the extinction of their religion.

    But pagans, as all non-Muslims, have no rights under Islam so its deemed a virtue to go to war with them.

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    • Oh madman, your idiotic ramblings only make it more obvious how insane you are.

      And what you still don’t get is any of your arguments are worthless while yoy defend and justify the extermination ordered by your mangod of the Canaanites. Condemn that first and then you can open your mouth about alleged human rights abuses in Islam. Until then, your hypocrisy will relegate you into the dustbin and no one will take you seriously.

      LOL, apparently you think that the pagans were justified in trying to wipe out Islam because they were trying to save their religion. So I guess Muslims have no rights in your warped mind? Like I said, the Muslims were fighting for their lives, so any action they took against their enemies were completely justified. Recall that when they came to Medina, they made a treaty with the Jews. They would be able to practice their religion and the Muslims would practice theirs. This idea has been enforced throughout most of Islamic history.

      In contrast, there was no negotiation between your mangod’s Israelite hordes and the Canaanites. It was death or slavery, and nothing else. Will you condemn this madman? Come out of your psychic warped mind and listen to reason.

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  8. Of course, the moral problems with the mass murder and enslavement of innocent jews flies over the head of our muslim friends.

    Mohammed was supposed to be a moral example for all time, and a shining example of moral behaviour – there is nothing about mohammed’s behaviour regarding the banu qurayza that warrants our admiration. Aggressors, war-mongers, and men of the sword have mass murdered those who opposed them. How is mohammed different or superior to Genghis khan in his actions? Both slaughtered opponents, and both spread their power through fear and warfare.

    What about this situation that warrants our admiration?

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    • Kevin: Of course, the moral problems with the mass murder and enslavement of innocent jews flies over the head of our muslim friends.

      In your opinion, did Muhammad fight anyone who was actually guilty? Also, how should he have dealt with Qurayzah?

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    • Lol, another insane hypocritical trinitarian opens his mouth. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Condemn the slaughter of innocent Canaanites before you compare Muhammad to the likes of Ghengis Khan because as anyone armed with the facts can see, it is actually logical to compare the Biblical Moses with Genghis Khan. You see, just like Moses, Genghis Khan and his hordes were not above killing women and children.

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    • Whatever happened to the caananites is not put forward as a great example for all mankind for all time. Mohammed’s actions are supposed to be an example for all mankind for all time.

      so answer the question please. What about mohammed’s murder of the jews warrants our admiration and what example is he setting for us to follow?

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    • Nothing warrants our admiration Kevin- I agree with you.

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    • Kmak

      You’re deflecting.

      Muslims claim that mohammed’s actions are exemplary for all time – my question is simple; what about the murder and enslavement of innocent people is a great example to be followed? How are mohammed’s actions any different than the actions of gengis khan? Or Stalin? And what are the lessons that this reaches us to lead moral lives?

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    • Kev: so answer the question please. What about mohammed’s murder of the jews warrants our admiration and what example is he setting for us to follow?

      Murder is unlawful killing. Since Muhammad was operating on Divine Command, he wasn’t guilty of anything unlawful.
      The destruction of Qurayzah served many things such as raising the costs of disloyalty, displaying the power of Muslim army as well as discouraging future attacks. Also, it showed that God was on Muhammad’s side.

      Death and destruction are not admirable but are a part of life. I believe what Muhammad did represented the most optimal outcome. I ask you again, how should have Muhammad dealt with the Qurayzah whose betrayal had put the entire Muslim community in peril?

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    • Kev: How are mohammed’s actions any different than the actions of gengis khan? Or Stalin?

      That’s easy. Muhammad was acting on God’s command. Whatever God commands is optimal in that it always maximizes benefits and minimizes loss. Thus, what Muhammad did to the Jews represents an optimal outcome. Do we have any a priori reasons for believing the actions of Gengis Khan or Stalin are optimal? No.

      Any other challenges?

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    • Paul, how come all my replies go into moderation?

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    • I don’t know. Only Paulus is on moderation.

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  9. Of course, the moral problems with the mass murder and enslavement of innocent jews flies over the head of our muslim friends.

    Mohammed was supposed to be a moral example for all time, and a shining example of moral behaviour – there is nothing about mohammed’s behaviour regarding the banu qurayza that warrants our admiration. Aggressors, war-mongers, and men of the sword have mass murdered those who opposed them. How is mohammed different or superior to Genghis khan in his actions? Both slaughtered opponents, and both spread their power through fear and warfare.

    What about this situation that warrants our admiration?

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  10. “LOL, apparently you think that the pagans were justified in trying to wipe out Islam because they were trying to save their religion.”

    Clearly Mohammed’s tactic after he moved to Medina was to provoke the Meccans in to an all out war by attacking their jugular vein, the trade caravans.

    This tactic worked.

    After that the Meccans had no choice but to try and totally defeat him in battle. They knew that Mohammed would never give up fighting them. It was him or them.

    You’re wasting your time Faiz trying to portray Mohammed as the innocent victim of the Meccans agression. Mohammed was the instigator from the get go.

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    • Madman, you really need psychiatric help. Your insanity is getting worse by the minute.

      The Meccans had illegally seized Muslim property, you dingbat! And do you honestly think that the Muslims were safe in Medina? The Meccans were still after them! Thus, the attacks on the caravans were completely justified.

      It is both hilarious and disturbing to see how you desperately try to make the Meccans into the victims and try to justify their campaign of extermination against the Muslims. Thank you for exposing the truth about your psychotic mind.

      And I have still yet to see any condemnation of the mass-slaughter of the Canaanites. Who was the instigator: the Canaanites or the Israelites?

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  11. Oooh, Lassie is pissed!

    “Good to see you are still as racist and bigoted as ever failure.

    Sadly, it is you who doesn’t get it, because you still haven’t actually bothered to read the Old Teatament. What did God say about the Canaanites? Remember, you can’t throw Him under the bus because you, my muhammadan friend, are to recognise the Torah as binding.

    You are a radical dear boy, happily justifying slaughtering people as long as you perceive it to be “self defence”. Is it any wonder that so many Muslims think they are being attcked by the west? Is this so you can mercilessly kill people and feel vindicated?

    You are from Australia right? Which muhammadan gang you running with these days? You been arrested by the ME crime squad yet?”

    Actually Lassie, I have read the “Old Testament”. It’s actually called the Tanach by the Jews. And it doesn’t surprise me that you are trying to justify the slaughter of the Canaanites by appealing to an alleged command from God! Thank you for proving once again that you are a shameless hypocrite! What else can be expected from a pagan trinitarian?

    Mercilessly kill people? I don’t believe in that because my religion does not teach that. In contrast, your mangod literally commanded the merciless killing of people:

    “When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.”

    Ouch!!!

    What makes you think I am from Australia?

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    • When did I justify anything? My name isn’t failure!

      I asked you what God said about the Canaanites. And I’m still waiting, especially now that you’ve claimed to have read the Old Testament (sorry, I highly doubt you’ve read more than what Ahmed defeat cited in the 90’s). You’ve told us that the Canaanites were “innocent”. How did you come to that conclusion? The same way you decided the Muslims were innocent too?

      Do you wipe your backside with stones, like Muhammad, and then strategically place them like tarot cards to decide your moral compass?

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  12. I thought Faiz was a Londoner. It must be that smog. Kills your brain cells 🙂

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    • LOL, at least I have brain cells! Yours, on the other hand, have been dead for quite some time! If you want, I can look for some good psychiatric institutions for you. I hear they do amazing things for people suffering from psychotic delusions. 😉

      And no, I am not a Londoner either. Keep guessing. This is fun!

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  13. Oh come now Lassie. Don’t be dishonest like your false apostle Paul.

    “When did I justify anything? My name isn’t failure!

    I asked you what God said about the Canaanites. And I’m still waiting, especially now that you’ve claimed to have read the Old Testament (sorry, I highly doubt you’ve read more than what Ahmed defeat cited in the 90’s). You’ve told us that the Canaanites were “innocent”. How did you come to that conclusion? The same way you decided the Muslims were innocent too?

    Do you wipe your backside with stones, like Muhammad, and then strategically place them like tarot cards to decide your moral compass?”

    LOL! By asking me if the Canaanites were “innocent”, it is obvious that you are trying to establish an excuse for their slaughter. How was it you put it? Ah yes…the merciless killing of people.

    I think any decent human being, which automatically disqualifies you (you know, since you are a slobbering mutt), would conclude that there is no excuse for killing women and children, regardless of any crime their people may have committed. Oh and I already know why you think they were not “innocent”. Does it have something to with enticing the Israelites into committing depraved sexual acts? Hmm?

    I would think, Lassie, that the Canannites babies were innocent. Don’t you think so? Let me know. There’s a good boy.

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  14. “The Meccans had illegally seized Muslim property, you dingbat! ”

    Blood for property. A fair swap for Mohammed. If it’s only infidel blood.

    “And do you honestly think that the Muslims were safe in Medina? The Meccans were still after them! ”

    Conspiracy theories abound where there’s Muslims around.

    Not bad. It rhymes.

    What do you think Faiz?

    Somehere in England, I think. It’s not important.

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    • Madman’s psychosis keeps getting worse! Is there a psychiatrist in the house?

      LOL, yes as if the Meccans would have been fine as long as Muhammad (pbuh) had simply resettled in another city and would then leave him alone! Your ignorance of history is appalling!

      Still waiting for your condemnation of the mass-slaughter of the Canaanites. Who was the instigator: the Canaanites or the Israelites?

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    • Oh and I’m not from England. Guess again!

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  15. “The Meccans had illegally seized Muslim property, you dingbat!”

    Talking of illegally seizing Muslim property what was that other Jewish tribe in Medina who were banished by Mohammed and all their property illegaly seized?

    They must have broken a treaty as well I guess.

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  16. Seems to be a lucrative way of earning a living.

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  17. “I think any decent human being, which automatically disqualifies you (you know, since you are a slobbering mutt), would conclude that there is no excuse for killing women and children,”

    When Allah destroyed all the towns that refused the warner he must have killed the women and children along with the unbelievers. Otherwise the Koran would have mentioned that the women and children were separated first before the town was destroyed.

    No appeal to the hadith can be made because this only regulates what came after Mohammed arrived on the scene.

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    • LOL, psychotic madman just can’t find a way to justify his mangod’s genocidal orders.

      People die from natural causes all the time. It’s a bit different from deliberately killing a baby, don’t you think madman? Please say no so that we can all see what a psychotic man you really are!

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  18. Kevin said:

    “Whatever happened to the caananites is not put forward as a great example for all mankind for all time. Mohammed’s actions are supposed to be an example for all mankind for all time.

    so answer the question please. What about mohammed’s murder of the jews warrants our admiration and what example is he setting for us to follow?”

    What difference does that make? What happened to the Canaanites was still wrong regardless of what time period it happened, was it not? Answer the question. Was it wrong?

    Muhammad (pbuh) only killed the combatants of the Bani Qurayzah. This was only after he had tried cooperation and mercy. He didn’t kill anyone of the Bani Qaynuqah or Bani Nadir, even after they had plotted against him. But the Bani Qurayzah had betrayed him at his most desperate hour. This was also the only time he did this. Thus, it is not for all times. However, the example set is that we are allowed to punish those who break their obligations with us, especially during wartime.

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    • I love how muslims are so quick to defend Muhammad by appeal to God, i.e. they are happy to commit shirk to defend the deen lol.

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    • Faiz

      What happened to the banu qurayza was wrong no matter what time period it happened. What’s your point? I’m not obliged to view the actions ıf OT prophets as exemplary for all time. As a muslim, you are obliged to consider the cold blooded murder of enemy combatants and the enslavement of their women and children as exemplary.

      So please answer the question – what is the good example in murdering all these people? Where is the justice in enslaving innocents? How is that moral? How are these murders any better than the actions of Stalin, Genghis, and Hitler, who all did the same thing to people they claimed went against their beliefs?

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    • “Muhammad (pbuh) only killed the combatants of the Bani Qurayzah.”

      Boys who have just reached puberty or around that age, are classified as combatants?

      Another example of the great moral example?

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  19. Lassie barked:

    “I love how muslims are so quick to defend Muhammad by appeal to God, i.e. they are happy to commit shirk to defend the deen lol.”

    So no answer Lassie? Just a deflection?

    Did your mangod command the merciless killing of people? Yes or no? Were the Canaanite babies innocent? Yes or no?

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  20. Lassie barked:

    “” It doesn’t have to be applied to all cases and for all times.”

    Says Fail. Epic Fail.

    “Prophet Muhammad’s status as role model and the validity of the sunnah are not limited to his life or to a certain time period. The Holy Quran and the notions of the sunnah state this issue clearly””

    LOL, an epic an act of desperation from Lassie the Gentile mutt! As I stated, the example set is that Muslims can punish those who act treacherously. In addition, the Sunnah has to be practiced in its entirety, not just based on certain events. How did the Prophet act against the Bani Qaynuqah and Bani Nadir? How did he act against most of his enemies? What about when he conquered Mecca?

    Still waiting for Lassie’s answers to my questions. Will the mangy mutt answer or will he continue to deflect? Time will tell…

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    • Nice attempt at a deflection. You really don’t like being exposed for contradicting the deen, do you? Shameless that you still won’t admit your error.

      Btw, how have you felt about the ME crime squad?

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  21. Lassie barked:

    “Nice attempt at a deflection. You really don’t like being exposed for contradicting the deen, do you? Shameless that you still won’t admit your error.

    Btw, how have you felt about the ME crime squad?”

    LOL, STILL no answers?

    I answered your pathetic attempt at simplifying the Sunnah.

    We both know that you pagan trinitarians don’t like being told you’re wrong about something. That is why you keep deflecting and projecting your stubbornness on to others. How pathetic!

    Now, will you answer my questions…

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    • What is the ME crime squad?

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    • ” It doesn’t have to be applied to all cases and for all times.”- Fail

      “Prophet Muhammad’s status as role model and the validity of the sunnah are not limited to his life or to a certain time period. The Holy Quran and the notions of the sunnah state this issue clearly”

      And we are apparently the ones simplifying the sunnah LOL. You Muslims just pick and choose which parts you want to follow, depending on who you’re targeting for dawah. It’s pathetic.

      You say it’s not applied for all times yet Islamic leaders say the opposite. You’ve committed shirk numerous times. By your own religions standards you are heading for hell. Good luck

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  22. Lassie barked:

    “no deflection- you just keep committing shirk by defending Muhammad by appeal to God.”

    STILL no answer?! Wow, Lassie is really afraid of exposing the evil of his religious beliefs.

    Did your mangod command the merciless killing of people? Yes or no? Were the Canaanite babies innocent? Yes or no?

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    • Mercy? They had 400 years.

      God’s justice is his, as he appropriated toward Canaanites, other Gentiles and equally the Jews.

      You still continue to commit shirk but justifying muhammad, a man, to God. Ironically, this very God you criticise you also claim theological heritage with. Just another fail from you lol.

      So do be a good chap and enlighten us as to why you justify a man by appeal to God? Or will you continue to deflect due to your constant contradictions of the deen and your embarrassment for the one you worship (Muhammad)

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One Response to Hadith “Do Not Greet Jews… Force Them To Narrow Road…” Explained. The victim status of Mohammed called in to question

  1. θ says:

    Jews are also prohibited by a man of God to ever greet anyone along the way during the time of suffering and war.
    2Ki 4:29
    Then he said to Gehazi, Gird up thy loins, and take my staff in thine hand, and go thy way: if thou meet any man, salute him not; and if any salute thee, answer him not again: and lay my staff upon the face of the child.

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