How to Refute Islam in Less than Ten Minutes: The Crucifixion Dilemma (Jonathan McLatchie)

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  1. θ says:

    What does someone’s crucifixion mean in Islam?
    If the crucifixion of Jesus’ look-alike could mean something – even possibly anything – for Islam, it may just atone a folly of the silly unintentional sin of “expecting” to get Jesus killed as a slain Messiah or Prophet of God, on behalf of the sinners. It’s something that Qur’an termed as “conjecture” (Al Zhanni), and the Book of Acts termed as “ignorance” (Agnoian), also the Book of Hebrews termed as “errors” (Agnomaton).
    Heb 9:7
    But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors (Agnomaton) of the people:
    Acts 3:17
    And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance (Agnoian) ye did it, as did also your rulers.

    If crucifixion were to have a jot of meaning for the sinner’s life, it just ends one’s “superfluous” focus on the unintentional sins. Eventually, both the Jews and the Gentiles have to focus their life to stop seriously from doing all intentional sins.

    On behalf of the Jews, in Acts 3:17-26 Peter offers crucifixion as a way of atonement for a Jewish sin of “indirectly” killing somebody on the cross, or in other words he offers the Jews a new way of sacrifice for the unintentional sin through crucifixion.
    On behalf of the Gentiles, thru Paul’s writings such as Eph 5:2, the Gentiles “appreciate” the sin of killing their Jesus on the cross, as if that sin weren’t evil, but a sweetsmelling savour for God.

    Moreover, thru Paul’s mission in the NT Bible, Jesus apparently allows a “beguiling” method to make the Jewish sinners repent, notably by making them feel so guilty of expecting Jesus to get killed for their sins, that’s unintentional sin. In the NT Bible, the end (necessity) justifies the means (guile).

  2. Anonymous says:

    The Trinitarians too struggle to provide the answer of a crucifixion question: Does Jesus live on when his person dies?
    When Jesus – a person – dies on the cross, the Trinitarians believe his human nature dies along with person, but somewhat there’s a “third” consciousness that keeps alive, i.e. the co-shared nature.
    Now, if they count with a simple math without jumbo mumbo argument, suddenly they believe in three “lives” of Jesus, not two.
    – Human nature of Jesus dies.
    – Person of Jesus dies.
    – Nature of Jesus keeps alive.

  3. θ says:

    In other word, in the bizarre world of the Trinity, the Trinitarians have a conjecture that somewhat Jesus is alive as an anonymous living nature “thing” at time when his person ceases to exist.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Jesus is not always a person, he is a thing too.

  5. θ says:

    The Trinitarians should modify the Dualism of Jesus to be Triunalism of Jesus since actually they believe in three lives of Jesus:
    – Human nature (a thing).
    – Person (sonship).
    – Co-shared nature (a thing).

  6. Anonymous says:

    Jesus is an “it” when he dies.

  7. θ says:

    If Jesus can be a thing (nature) when his person ceases to exist, unexpectedly Arius is right and correct when telling that there’s a moment when the Son was not.
    On the crucifixion, the Trinitarians turn to be the Arians, how ironic.

  8. Anonymous says:

    The Trinitarians don’t truly believe that “Jesus” is a who. When he dies, he is a what.
    On the cross, the nature (ousia) “is” the person (hypostasis) of Son of God in one.

  9. θ says:

    We never know whether “Jesus the nature” remains a same “Jesus the person” when his person dies.

  10. Anonymous says:

    So, we come again to the square one: what is Jesus?
    How come that entity named Jesus keeps “alive” in the form of nature when his person completely dies on the cross?

  11. θ says:

    Either Jesus has three lives, or his dead person “becomes” a living nature temporarily till resurrection?

  12. Anonymous says:

    Similar to the folly of Samaritans, apparently the Trinitarians don’t know exactly what they worship.
    If Jesus were a nature a while, the Trinitarians become the Oneness Pentecostals as well.

  13. Jaclyn says:

    Très bon papier Quentin, tu récapitules parfaitement les forces en présence. Je te rejoins sur les pronos, mais pas sur les nombres de sets. Enfin on verra bien, si on me propose Fed en 5 je signe tout de suite hein. Chez les filles en revanche je vois, et je souhaite, une finale au sommet ClisKterj-svitova. La tenante du titre contre la star montante, voilà qui aurait de la gueule !

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