Jesus creates ex nihilo, therefore he must be God

The Feeding of the Five Thousand

(Matthew 14:13-21; Mark 6:30-44; Luke 9:10-17)

John 6 v 1 After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias. 2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased. 3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples. 4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. 5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do. 7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little. 8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, saith unto him, 9 There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many? 10 And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand. 11 And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost. 13 Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten. 14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

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7 Responses to Jesus creates ex nihilo, therefore he must be God

  1. Anonymous says:

    But Moses didn’t have five loaves of barley and fishes to multiply. Moses didn’t have any bread to break or give thanks for.
    Moses has to feed 2 or 3 million hungry people who require a lot of food in the middle of violent desert. Has Moses anticipated this logistic thing before he left Egypt? Of course not. By simple calculation, Moses would have needed 1500 tons of food to feed the murmuring Israelites each day. Yet, somewhat he managed to do the same thing of raining down the manna 365 days a year for next 40 years.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Why has not Jesus practiced what he preaches over the delay of chopping down a fig tree?
    Mt 21:19
    And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
    Versus:
    Lk 13
    8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

    In the Old Testament, the trees produce the fruits quickly (almonds and gourd) as miracles on behalf of Aaron and Jonah. Why did not Jesus make a fig tree immediately fruitful rather than cursing it, or just waited a little bit for one year as in his parable in Luke 13:8?
    Num 17:8
    And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and yielded almonds.
    Jon 4:6
    And the LORD God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Jesus claims all things were given to his hands, but weirdly he didn’t give it to the poor? Why has he not practiced what he preaches?
    Mk 10:21
    Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
    Jn 3:35
    The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
    Versus:
    Mk 14
    5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.6 And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me.7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
    Jn 12:8
    For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Jesus condemned those who visit the sick friend, but he chooses to do otherwise when Lasarus got sick. Why has he not practiced what he preaches?
    Mt 25:43
    I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    Versus.
    Jn 11:6
    When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Jesus condemned those who don’t visit the sick friends, but he chooses to do otherwise when Lasarus got sick. Why has he not practiced what he preaches?
    Mt 25:43
    I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    Versus.
    Jn 11:6
    When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Jesus says clearly to the Pharisees that their Tanachic rite of alms-giving cleanses wholly both what is within their soul and what is on their body. That proves the rite of the Laws has a redemptive role. But, in John’s Gospel Jesus says otherwise that nothing else could afford to cleanse those Pharisee’s sins except by a newly NT belief in Jesus’ blood.

    Lk 11:41
    But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
    Versus:
    Jn 8:24
    I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
    Jn 6:53
    Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

  7. θ says:

    Multiplying fruits.
    Bukhari Vol. 7, Book 65, Hadith 354
    Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah: There was a Jew in Medina who used to lend me money up to the season of plucking dates. (Jabir had a piece of land which was on the way to Ruma). That year the land was not promising, so the payment of the debt was delayed one year. The Jew came to me at the time of plucking, but gathered nothing from my land. I asked him to give me one year respite, but he refused. This news reached the Prophet whereupon he said to his companions, “Let us go and ask the Jew for respite for Jabir.” All of them came to me in my garden, and the Prophet started speaking to the Jew, but he Jew said, “O Abu Qasim! I will not grant him respite.” When the Prophet saw the Jew’s attitude, he stood up and walked all around the garden and came again and talked to the Jew, but the Jew refused his request. I got up and brought some ripe fresh dates and put it in front of the Prophet. He ate and then said to me, “Where is your hut, O Jabir?” I informed him, and he said, “Spread out a bed for me in it.” I spread out a bed, and he entered and slept. When he woke up, I brought some dates to him again and he ate of it and then got up and talked to the Jew again, but the Jew again refused his request. Then the Prophet got up for the second time amidst the palm trees loaded with fresh dates, and said, “O Jabir! Pluck dates to repay your debt.” The Jew remained with me while I was plucking the dates, till I paid him all his right, yet there remained extra quantity of dates. So I went out and proceeded till I reached the Prophet and informed him of the good news, whereupon he said, “I testify that I am Allah’s Messenger.”

    Multiplying bread.
    Muslim, Book 23, Hadith 5057.
    Allah’s Messenger said: Do not remove your earthen pot from the hearth and do not bake the bread from the kneaded flour until I come. So I came and Allah’s Messenger came and he was ahead of the people; and I came to my wife and she said (to me): You will be humbled. I said: I did what you had asked me to do. She (his wife) said: I brought out the kneaded flour and Allah’s Messenger put some saliva of his in that and blessed It. He then put saliva in the earthen pot and blessed it and then said: Call another baker who can bake with you,and bring out the soup from it, but do not remove it from the hearth, and the guests were one thousand. (Jabir said): I take an oath by Allah that all of them ate (the food to their fill) until they left it and went away and our earthen pot was brimming over as before, and so was the case with our flour, or as Dahhak (another narrator) said: It (the flour) was in the same condition and loaves had been prepared from that.

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