The bible is it’s own interpreter so we don’t allow the alien religion Islam to interpret our scriptures for us. Taking the example of John 17 v 21 – 23

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Apologists for Islam tells us that these verses are speaking of a oneness of purpose. This is rubbish and is just an example of them imposing their ideas and agenda on others, as usual.

The key to interpreting this verse is given by Jesus in John 14 v

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Jesus is going and leaving the disciples but he is coming again in and through the Holy Spirit. Through the Holy Spirit the disciples, the Father and Jesus are all one as he describes in his priestly prayer in John 17.

I would say that the glory that Jesus speaks of in verse 22 of chapter 14 is the Holy Spirit himself.

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7 Responses to The bible is it’s own interpreter so we don’t allow the alien religion Islam to interpret our scriptures for us. Taking the example of John 17 v 21 – 23

  1. Anonymous says:

    The Spirit had not yet been given in John 14 to 17 – just promised in John 16 – so it can’t be that particular given glory. The unifying glory which Jesus refers to is not the Spirit but the Gospel (words of God) he has finished to convey.
    It is later in John 20 he breathes the ten disciples (Thomas is excluded) with it.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Along with other Scriptures, the Gospel given to Jesus has been before the world began. At his second coming he will re-convey his “eternal Gospel” once again to end all discrepancies and textual inerrancies of today’s Gospels.
    Rev 14:6
    And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

  3. madmanna says:

    The gospel by itself is not enough to unify in the sense that Jesus speaks of. It is only the first step to belief which allows the Spirit to operate and unify.

  4. madmanna says:

    Mutual indwelling of persons is more than a piece of shared knowledge. Even unbelievers know the gospel but that doesn’t automatically unify them with the Father and the Spirit and Jesus. Only the Holy Spirit can do that.

  5. Anonymous says:

    “madmanna says: The gospel by itself is not enough to unify in the sense that Jesus speaks of. It is only the first step to belief which allows the Spirit to operate and unify.”
    (i) Jesus didn’t yet give the Spirit at John 17.
    (ii) Jesus gave Gospel in John 17, hence it is the glory he is talking about.
    (iii) Gospel is eternal, Rev 14:6
    (iv) Gospel is the spirits (plural) of life.
    Jn 6:63
    The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
    Jn 12:50
    And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

    “Mutual indwelling of persons is more than a piece of shared knowledge. Even unbelievers know the gospel but that doesn’t automatically unify them with the Father and the Spirit and Jesus.”

    The unseen Word is the framer of things in one, hence it is their unifier as well.
    Heb 11:3
    Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    “Only the Holy Spirit can do that.”

    Not necessary. Jesus doesn’t mention any Spirit at all when telling his indwelling to the keepers or doers of God’s words.
    Jn 14:23
    Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

  6. madmanna says:

    Unifying is not mutual indwelling. Each man believes for himself. It is not distributive.

  7. Anonymous says:

    For sure, as a matter of fact Jesus had not yet given the Spirit in John 17. Spirit can’t be the preexisting glory given by Jesus to the Disciples for God’s mutual indwelling and unification.
    Keepers and doers of the Word have the mutual indwelling.
    1Jn 2
    5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

    Early Christians have one same mind in God thru the labor in Gospel.
    Phil 4
    2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel,

    Scriptures give the doers of law one mind and one mouth of glorification.
    Rom 15
    4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.5. Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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