There is no such thing as rape in Islam, only Force Assisted Fornication ( FAF )

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  1. θ says:

    The Bible doesn’t require any consent of female slave (being counted as man’s property) whatsoever for her defilement or even the forced marriage, so how could Christians differentiate fornication from marriage?

    The abusive master expects to get sexual submission of his slaves:
    1Pet 2:18
    Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

  2. السلفية says:

    In Quran, the primary commandment to lower the gaze is on the men in Quran 24:30…You know WHY? First: Because to see a naked slave is darn so easy in the early Islam. The Quranic ruling of wearing Hijab doesn’t cover the female slaves!!

    Secondly: Now in this Digital Age, the men are free and having a super duper easy access to watch porn online!!!

    Third: Because mostly the men are the sex predators!!!

    Forth: Because the misogynist clerics also happily protect & save the sex predators!!!

    That’s why in Quran, the primary commandment to lower the gaze is on the men in Quran 24:30…

  3. θ says:

    “السلفية Secondly: Now in this Digital Age, the men are free and having a super duper easy access to watch porn online!!!Third: Because mostly the men are the sex predators!!!”

    Ahem, excuse me, please please don’t be angry or be mistaking me, but here is a little secret:
    A prayer purifies the Zina by hands (groping), Zina by eyes (shahwa, gazing) so easily. Apparently the early Moslems don’t have a big problem with the lusty gaze so much. Only the purists have a great worry about it.
    That’s a little dirty secret why they almost never preach the Hadith about it.

    Zina by eyes, hands, mouth and lips gets purified by prayers:
    Bukhari, Vol. 9, Hadith 409
    Narrated Ibn Mas’ud, A man kissed a woman and then came to Allah’s Messenger and told him of that, so this Divine Inspiration was revealed to the Prophet: And offer prayers perfectly at the two ends of the day, and in some hours of the night. Verily, the good deeds remove the evil deeds. That is a reminder for the mindful. (Qur’an 11:114) The man said, Is this instruction for me only? The Prophet said, It is for all those of my followers who encounter a similar situation.

    Zina by hands gets purified by prayers:
    Al-Wahidi, Asbab Al-Nuzul, Verse 11.114
    Abu’l-Yusr ibn ‘Amr who said: A woman whose husband was sent with an army by the Prophet came to me and said: ‘I want to buy one silver coin worth of dates’. I liked the woman and so I said: ‘I have in the house dates which are much better than these, so come with me’. I touched her and kissed her. I then went to the Messenger of Allah, and related to him what happened. He said to me: ‘You have betrayed a man who is fighting for the sake of Allah in relation to his wife with the like of this’. And he put his head down on me. I thought I was of the dwellers of hellfire and that Allah would never forgive me. But then Allah, exalted is He, revealed (Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night). The Prophet sent for me and recited it to me.
    Ibn ‘Abbas who said: A man went to ‘Umar and said: ‘A woman came to buy from me, I took her inside an antechamber and did with her everything except intercourse’. ‘Umar said: ‘Woe unto you, her husband is absent fighting for the sake of Allah’ I said: ‘Yes, he is’ He said: ‘Go to Abu Bakr [and see what he says]’. He went to Abu Bakr and he said exactly as ‘Umar said. He said: ‘Go to the Messenger of Allah and ask him’. He went to the Prophet and related to him what he had already related to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar. The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Is her husband away fighting for the sake of Allah?’ When the man confirmed it, the Messenger of Allah did not speak with him. This verse was then revealed (Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night. Lo good deeds annul ill deeds), and the man asked: ‘O Messenger of Allah, is this for me specifically or is it for everyone?’ ‘Umar struck his chest and said: ‘No, it is for everyone’. The Messenger of Allah laughed and said: ‘ ‘Umar is right’ .
    Mu’adh ibn Jabal who reported that he was sitting with the Prophet when a man came and said: O Messenger of Allah, what do you say about a man who touches a woman who is unlawful for him to touch, such that he does everything that a man usually does with his lawfully wedded wife, except that he does not have intercourse with her? The Prophet said to him: Perform minor ritual ablutions properly and then stand up to pray. Then, Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse (Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night) up to its end. Mu’adh ibn Jabal asked: Is this for him specifically or for all Muslims? He replied: It is for all Muslims.
    Ibn Mas’ud who said: A man came to the Prophet and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, I have fondled a woman except that I did not sleep with her’. Allah, exalted is He, revealed [as a response] (Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night. Lo! good deeds annul ill deeds).

  4. Anonymous says:

    That’s quite surprising.

  5. θ says:

    sorry… just tell you what is available at our disposal. Only “the” Zina (actual adultery) gets a Qur’anic punishment. The lesser Zina is a Sin indeed, but it doesn’t have any punishment. Prophet Muhammad didn’t punish the sinful man. Moreover, in fact his sin can be purified thru a daily prayer.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Your misogynist clerics aren’t gonna like this. The main purpose of making the women look like a walking garbage-bag with the purdah is to prevent the men’s lust of gazing and fondling.

    Now, If kissing or fondling or groping can easily be cleansed by prayers, hey there’s no reason for women to use her purdah. Do you understand the impact of that hadith?

  7. Anonymous says:

    Do you understand that the hadith above just destroys the main pillar of misogyny? It is decreed by the misogynist fatwa that the Lust of gazing is the “most unspeakable sin” ever, so the women have to be covered totally from tip to toes like a walking garbage-bag…..Poor women under oppression.

    The hadith above is a nightmare of all misogynist clerics.
    It clearly shows that what you called “lesser zina” deserves no punishment whatsoever in the sight of the people. Even, it is just purged by doing the prayers.

  8. Anonymous says:

    In certain Moslem nations there’s a punishment for a crime called “Khalwa” (illicit seclusion of two genders) but the hadith above clearly proves otherwise how there’s no punishment of Khalwa.

    Unbelievable….why do the dishonest misogynist clerics dare invent the new law contrary to that hadith?

  9. السلفية says:

    Perhaps some clerics believe that they are more holier and more better than Prophet Muhammad?

  10. Anonymous says:

    Do you understand the significance of that hadith above? It is as if the hadith is a holy grail of ending the misogyny.

    Now it is up to the Moslems: do they turn away by believing in the misogynist clerics or consistently follow hadith?

  11. θ says:

    By using Arabic words “La taqrabu”, the verse mentioning “don’t shove into adultery” (Q.17, v.32) has similar wording with the prohibition verse “don’t shove into her” in context of the couple’s residing in a mosque (Q.2, v.187), as well as a verse “don’t shove into them till their purity” in the context of menstruation (Q.2, v.222). Other context is the interference, that is a verse “don’t interfere the wealth of the orphans” (Q.6, v.152). Therefore, from the pattern of words used by Qur’an, the punishable Zina in Qur’an refers to a specific sexual intercourse.

  12. θ says:

    Prophet Muhammad questions a confessed man whether he just did any non-coitus activity, which means he indicates a simple vindication for such non-sexual deeds from a case of the punishable Zina.

    Bukhari Vol. 8, Book 82, Hadith 813
    Narrated Ibn `Abbas: When Ma’iz bin Malik came to the Prophet (in order to confess), the Prophet said to him, Probably you have only kissed (the lady), or winked, or looked at her?

    Muslim Book 17, Hadith 4198
    Jabir b. Samura reported: As he was being brought to Allah’s Apostle I saw Ma’iz b. Malik-a short-statured person with strong sinews, having no cloak around him. He bore witness against his own self four times that he had committed adultery, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: Perhaps (you kissed her or embraced her).

    Bulugh al-Maram Book 10, Hadith 1247
    Ibn ‘Abbas narrated, When Ma’iz came to the Prophet, he said to him, Perhaps you have just kissed, or touched or looked (at the woman).

    Abi Dawud Book 39, Hadith 4408
    Jabir b. Samurah said: I saw Ma’iz b. Malik when he was brought to the Prophet. He was a small and muscular man. He did not wear the loose outer garment. He made confession about him four times that he committed fornication. The Messenger of Allah said: Perhaps you kissed her.

  13. Anonymous says:

    Clearly your early Moslems were more liberal than what your clerics presume. Funnily, they claim themselves as the staunch imitators of the early groups.

  14. السلفية says:

    Misogynist clerics have such a weird abnormal problem with the woman’s face. They condemn the selfies, photos, images of women who exposed their face. But with a blatant hypocrisy, they just stand silent during the Hajj when there are hundreds of thousands of women walking around without wearing the face-veil.
    If they were consistent, those misogynist clerics should have declared Makkah as a filthy place because it’s fully crowded by the “face’s exposure” of hundreds of thousands of women.

    Also the Hadith doesn’t make an exposure of woman’s face a category of Haram for her. It is the woman’s right to expose what is usually exposed (face and hands). It is her right so that it becomes a duty for men to lower the gaze:
    Nasa’i Vol. 3, Book 24, Hadith 2643
    Ibn ‘Abbas narrated that: a woman from Khath’am asked the Messenger of Allah a question during the Farewell Pilgrimage, when Al-Fadl bin ‘Abbas was riding behind the Messenger of Allah. She said: O Messenger of Allah, The command of Allah has come for His slaves to perform Hajj, but my father is an old man and cannot sit upright in the saddle. Will it be paid off on his behalf if I perform Hajj on his behalf? The Messenger of Allah said to her: Yes. And Al-Fadl started to turn toward her, as she was a beautiful woman, but the Messenger of Allah took hold of Al-Fadl’s face and turned it to the other side.

    Prophet lowered the man’s gaze, and he didn’t condemn the woman for having exposed her beautiful face in public place.
    But, ironically, contrary to what Prophet did, the misogynist clerics cunningly suppress the “right” of woman in order to make those men not necessarily do they duty of lowering their gaze.

  15. السلفية says:

    Misogynist clerics deceitfully condemned the exposure of woman’s face (selfies, photos, images) in Facebook, twitter, Instagram, et cetera, but with a blatant hypocrisy, they just stand silent during the Hajj when there are *hundreds of thousands* of women walking around without wearing the face-veil.
    Surely at every corner and at every turn the misogynist clerics must see the women face during the Hajj. That is like a fully combination of all FB, Tweet and IG altogether.
    Why do those clerics practice silence? What a Hypocrite.

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