Synergism and the Perfection of Salvation with a Brief Comment on Morey and the Infamous Hadith

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8 Responses to Synergism and the Perfection of Salvation with a Brief Comment on Morey and the Infamous Hadith

  1. θ says:

    The unsolved theological mess of monergism vs. synergism doesn’t occur in Islam. In Islam it is clear each human given the free will to exert and to be responsible with.

    Salvation has to be chosen, committed and brought “by” humans themselves, but when it comes to a higher topic of who actually saves, or who actually gives the salvation itself, Islam has the solid answer that nobody can afford to enter himself or any other Moslem into the Heaven, except Allah alone.
    Suppose that a man by his efforts is able to reach and stand in front the door of Heaven for more than 100,000 eons, yet nobody can make him enter inside Paradise except Allah.

  2. madmanna says:

    “Salvation has to be chosen, committed and brought “by” humans themselves, but when it comes to a higher topic of who actually saves, or who actually gives the salvation itself, Islam has the solid answer that nobody can afford to enter himself or any other Moslem into the Heaven, except Allah alone.”

    Your statement seems to be self-contradictory. You seem to be asserting and denying synergism at the same time.

  3. madmanna says:

    Why do you put the word “by” in quotation marks?

  4. madmanna says:

    “The unsolved theological mess of monergism vs. synergism doesn’t occur in Islam. ”

    White solved it quite adequately to show that it is only a problem for those who approach the biblical text with humanistic presuppositions.

  5. madmanna says:

    “In Islam it is clear each human given the free will to exert and to be responsible with.”

    There is no free will where Sharia law is in force. If the will strays outside it’s alloted bounds the person is punished, with death for apostasy or blasphemy. This is why there is no synergy problem. All problems are solved by killing, flogging or dismembering in Islam.

  6. θ says:

    “madmanna says: White solved it quite adequately to show that it is only a problem for those who approach the biblical text with humanistic presuppositions.”

    Salvation is for the mortals, not for God.
    If you don’t know what you are going to get, how do you even know what to do? The doctrinal problem with the Calvinists and the Reformed is, they pretend to not know, even dismiss, various response of Jesus to those who claim themselves as “his followers”, as if he were just a robot of salvation without emotion.

    The Calvinists and the Reformed whom White defends have a same bad habit of elimnating selective words of the good works (Lk 12:46-47 for example) and have a same wishful thinking based on the man’s doctrine – not a belief based on Gospels – Jesus will be so extremely kind to them regardless what they do, as long as they just believe in him.

  7. θ says:

    “madmanna says: Why do you put the word “by” in quotation marks?”

    Each man is the independent agent carrying out his own salvation according to his choices and abilities, from this world to the doorstep of Paradise. But Allah alone shall determine when, how, why he enters that salvation, namely Paradise.

  8. θ says:

    “madmanna says: Your statement seems to be self-contradictory. You seem to be asserting and denying synergism at the same time.”

    It is two independent ways. Man is free to exert his free will to reach the doorstep of salvation – meaning that he is saved from Hell by his good works – but Allah alone is able to make him enter Paradise.

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