Response to comments that claim condoning of slavery in the bible

This is the outcome of a justified war against an unlawful intruder or occupier in the land of Israel. Or in the case of Joshua’s conquest a holy war of judgement against the Canaanite tribes who had brought upon themselves the judgement of God through their moral actions.

Marrying a Captive Woman

deut 21 v 10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, 11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; 12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.

It depends on the circumstances of the conflict if the blood of her family was shed or not. During the conquests of the cleansing of the land if the people surrendered their lives were spared and they became subservient. If they refused to surrender the males were put to death. The people became slaves or paid tribute. She had the right to mourn whatever family she had for a month.

Forced marriage plus kidnapping.
Jud 21:21
If the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.

Most marriages were arranged anyway in those days. We are not seeing kidnapping for ransom here but to make a happy marriage. There is a slight difference.

Slave Market in the OT.
Joel 3:8
And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.

As recompense for a crime, like for like. See the context:

Joel 3 v 4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head; 5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. 7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head: 8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.

Slave Market in the Gospel.
Mt 18:25
But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

Not a market because slaves have no debts because they have no possessions. A reduction to slavery because of the inability to pay off the debt. Jesus is recognizing the right of the creditor to take action for the debt to be repaid. It does not necessarily mean that chattel slavery is in view here.

Human Trafficking.
Exo 21:7
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

Not really. Rather the selling of one’s labour to pay off a debt. The going out refers to the freedom from compulsion to serve the creditor.

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6 Responses to Response to comments that claim condoning of slavery in the bible

  1. θ says:

    “Madmanna says: Jesus is recognizing the right of the creditor to take action for the debt to be repaid. ”

    Jesus approves the gross sins of coveting a debtor’s wife, sons, and daughters? Too bad.
    It is more reasonable without breaking the law if a debtor alone chooses to sell himself to be slave of creditor.

    “During the conquests of the cleansing of the land if the people surrendered their lives were spared and they became subservient.”

    No, where’s the prohibition “thou shalt not kill”, “thou shalt not covet”, now?
    Ironically, and stupidly, a reason why the Jews refuse to enter the Canaan Land during the time of Moses is because the Jews prefer to enslave, trade (Slave Market) and marry so many beautiful slaves of Moabite women along the way.
    Moreover, the main reason why the angel of God reprimands the Jews during the time of Joshua is their choice to spare, enslave, trade (Slave Market) and marry the beautiful Canaanites (and their underage girls) at Bochim.
    Jud 2
    3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.4 And it came to pass, when the angel of the LORD spake these words unto all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voice, and wept.5 And they called the name of that place Bochim: and they sacrificed there unto the LORD.

    “We are not seeing kidnapping for ransom here but to make a happy marriage. ”

    If so, the crime of kidnappings and the sin of coveting the man’s family for a forced marriage is okay for the Jews and Christians.

  2. Anonymous says:

    “Madmanna says: As recompense for a crime, like for like.”

    Since when has the choice of enslaving the people (such as debtor’s daughters and beautiful women taken from war) become a “crime” suddenly in the Bible? Change the rule? Worse, it is not a sin nor crime for a debtor to sell his daughters and wives into slavery.
    Exo 21:7
    And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

  3. Anonymous says:

    “Madmanna says: Exo 21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. Not really. Rather the selling of one’s labour to pay off a debt. ”

    Actually the context of verse Exo 21:7 doesn’t specify any excuse or precondition for the man who could sell his daughters. It doesn’t even talk about his debts or his poverty at all.

    What if a man sells his daughters for reason of securing his career?

    What if a man sells his daughters to someone for reason of covering up his crime?

    What if a man sells his daughters to someone for reason of being blackmailed by his rivals?

    What if a man sells his daughters to someone for reason of being forced by his younger wife?

    What if a man sells his daughter for reason of punishing her due to her rebellious character?

    What if a man sells his daughters to someone for reason of hating her mother?

  4. madmanna says:

    His daughter is also his neighbour whom he must love as himself.

    He is not selling her as a chattel as in islamic slavery. He is only selling her labour. She must be married before she enters servitude or she must be given in marriage. She must have the protection of marriage before her servitude begins.

    Her freedom of movement is preserved in contrast to islamic slavery. She can preserve her family ties if she so wishes.

    She can run away from her slavemaster if she is unjustly treated and appeal to the judges.

    All these things are denied the islamic slave as a basic human right.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Where does the context of Exo 21:7 put the terms and preconditions on the father before selling out his daughters?

  6. θ says:

    “madmanna says: He is not selling her as a chattel as in islamic slavery. All these things are denied the islamic slave as a basic human right.”

    Christian apologists just try to project their hateful loathing desperation of inhumane slave mistreatment in the Bible – even Jesus is quite cruel on treatments with beatings and cutting asunder – whereas Islam forbids even a slapping of slave.

    Islam forbids a man from selling his children.
    In Islam Human trafficking is a serious crime.
    Bukhari Vol. 3, Book 36, Hadith 470
    Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “Allah said, ‘I will be an opponent to three types of people on the Day of Resurrection: -1. One who makes a covenant in My Name, but proves treacherous; -2. One who sells a free person and eats his price; and -3. One who employs a laborer and takes full work from him but does not pay him for his lab our.’ ”

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