Philadelphia: Muslims tell Jews at interfaith gathering that “jihad doesn’t mean to go on a battlefield and fight”, a post from JihadWatch.org, with comments

It doesn’t? Somebody better tell the schools of Sunni jurisprudence:

Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates about jihad that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)…while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).

Of course, there is no caliph today, unless one believes the claims of the Islamic State, and hence the oft-repeated claim that Osama et al are waging jihad illegitimately, as no state authority has authorized their jihad. But they explain their actions in terms of defensive jihad, which needs no state authority to call it, and becomes “obligatory for everyone” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.3) if a Muslim land is attacked. The end of the defensive jihad, however, is not peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims as equals: ‘Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent” (o9.8).

Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions. It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.” It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons: from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”

However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)

Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

Hanbali school: The great medieval theorist of what is commonly known today as radical or fundamentalist Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, 1263-1328), was a Hanbali jurist. He directed that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.”

Someone should also alert more recent scholars of Islam to the reality of jihad as a spiritual struggle. Majid Khadduri was an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown. In his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam, which was published in 1955 and remains one of the most lucid and illuminating works on the subject, Khadduri says this about jihad:

The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world….The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state. (P. 51)

Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari’ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: “Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book…is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah.” Nyazee concludes: “This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation” of non-Muslims.

One might also get the impression that jihad has something to do with warfare from these Qur’an verses. What kind of “spiritual struggle” involves killing?

2:191-193: “And kill them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”

4:89: “They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and kill them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”

8:12: “When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so strike above the necks, and strike every finger of them!”

8:60: “Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror thereby into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”

9:5: “Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”

9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.”

9:111: “Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”

9:123: “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”

47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”

Also: did this gathering explain to the Jews what the Qur’an says about them? “Haroon put his arm around me and said, ‘I thought we were cousins.’” Did Haroon tell his Cousin Fred about how the Qur’an depicts the Jews as the strongest of all people in enmity toward the Muslims (5:82); as fabricating things and falsely ascribing them to Allah (2:79; 3:75, 3:181); claiming that Allah’s power is limited (5:64); loving to listen to lies (5:41); disobeying Allah and never observing his commands (5:13); disputing and quarreling (2:247); hiding the truth and misleading people (3:78); staging rebellion against the prophets and rejecting their guidance (2:55); being hypocritical (2:14, 2:44); giving preference to their own interests over the teachings of Muhammad (2:87); wishing evil for people and trying to mislead them (2:109); feeling pain when others are happy or fortunate (3:120); being arrogant about their being Allah’s beloved people (5:18); devouring people’s wealth by subterfuge (4:161); slandering the true religion and being cursed by Allah (4:46); killing the prophets (2:61); being merciless and heartless (2:74); never keeping their promises or fulfilling their words (2:100); being unrestrained in committing sins (5:79); being cowardly (59:13-14); being miserly (4:53); being transformed into apes and pigs for breaking the Sabbath (2:63-65; 5:59-60; 7:166); and more? Somehow I doubt any of that came up.

“Muslim-Jewish interfaith exchange reveals common ground,” by Dan Geringer, Philadelphia Inquirer, January 9, 2017:

Haroon Rashid, a Muslim from North Penn Mosque in Lansdale, and Fred Goldstein, a Jew from Old York Road Temple-Beth Am synagogue in Abington, met as mentors at an Interfaith Center of Philadelphia youth conference in 2015 and quickly became kindred souls.

When they visited Rashid’s mosque during the conference, Goldstein asked about a collection box he saw. Rashid said it was a Sadaqah box, used to collect money for the poor. Goldstein said, “When we go to my synagogue, I’ll show you a Tzedakah box, where we collect money for the poor.”

That was one of many common threads between Judaism and Islam that the two new friends discovered as “Haroon put his arm around me and said, ‘I thought we were cousins,’ ” Goldstein recalled Sunday. “That day for me was actually life changing.”

Discovery of common ground was also on the agenda Sunday, when 46 members of Temple-Beth Am visited North Penn Mosque to share a meal of lamb, beef, rice, and chickpeas; observe the afternoon prayer service led by Imam Abu Rashad; hear Imam Mujammil Zakir explain the basic tenets of Islam; and learn that jihad isn’t necessarily what they thought it was.

After alternating flawlessly between Arabic and English to discuss shared Islamic and Jewish respect for seminal figures such as Adam and Eve, Abraham, Jacob, and Moses, and the similar wish for peace in the greetings shalom and salaam alaikum, Zakir paused and said, “Jihad.”

He looked around the room, smiled, and gently teased his listeners, “When we hear that word, we sometimes wake up if we’ve been sleeping.”

Then, turning serious, he said, “Jihad doesn’t mean to go on a battlefield and fight. It means you struggle in your heart” to meet God’s standard of goodness.

That struggle might be between relaxing at home after a tiring work week instead of venturing out into the cold to go to the mosque, he said, adding “Who made the jihad? People who came to the afternoon prayer. That is jihad.”

Syed Afzal, the mosque’s president, welcomed visitors by saying, “We are blessed with your presence,” and noted that the mosque’s members in the room included people from India, Pakistan, Senegal, and Bangladesh.

“This is a beautiful gathering. I’m sure all of you came from another part of the world at one time or another. And now,” he said dramatically, “the most important item of the day. What is that? Food!”

He began the meal by breaking flatbread with Beth Am’s Rabbi Robert Leib, who offered a blessing in Hebrew. Afzal looked at his Muslim and Jewish audience and said, “We are all the offspring of one pair: Adam, peace be upon him; and Eve, peace be upon her.” Then he worked the lunch crowd, asking how the food was and joking, “If it’s good, I cooked it.”

Lily Rothman runs Beth Am’s Lincow Institute for Adult Jewish Studies, with her husband, Paul, and helped organize the mosque visit. She said its purpose was “to help get the whole sense of the unknown out of the way. I think if we have a level of comfort with each other, we’ll be more at peace with each other. The more you know, the more you understand and appreciate differences, and the more you eliminate misunderstanding and fear. The bottom line is: we’re all human beings.”

The afternoon of fellowship ended with women from Beth Am spontaneously serenading their Muslim hosts with a Hebrew song that translated as “How beautiful it is when brothers and sisters come together.”

Then the congregants who Leib affectionately calls the “Beth Amniks” invited their Muslim hosts to come to the synagogue for a future interfaith visit. Leib and Afzal hugged….

COMMENTS

  1. Mark A says

    January 9, 2017 at 1:09 pm

    Is it possible to have “inter-faith dialogue” with a religion that supports lying to promote the spread of its faith?

    This sounds like total taqiyya to me.

    • ktulu says

      January 9, 2017 at 1:31 pm

      I was just thinking that. The cunning and deceit of islam is boundless.
      Lying is an inherent part of islam. It is a *virtue* for muslims to deceive the kaffir.
      No amount of sugar sprinkled on a turd is going to make it any less of a turd.

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      January 9, 2017 at 1:32 pm

      It sounds like taqiyya because it IS taqiyya. The mullah in this video teaches another example of how to practice taqiyya on non-Muslims-

    • Kay says

      January 9, 2017 at 2:05 pm

      Yeah, the way Mohammedens change the meaning of all words leaves me wondering, what do they mean by battlefield? (airport; university; café; nightclub?) what do they mean by fight?

    • Westman says

      January 9, 2017 at 8:37 pm

      “Jihad doesn’t mean to go on a battlefield and fight. It means you struggle in your heart”

      Pure taqiyya! For people who drop and prostrate themselves, with head on the floor, life is degenerated to one-way respect for Allah; a being that has no respect for them and even calls them slaves. Jihad will be whatever some Imam or Mullah says Allah wants at the time. Slaves do what is demanded of them.

      “…women from Beth Am spontaneously serenading their Muslim hosts with a Hebrew song that translated as “How beautiful it is when brothers and sisters come together.”

      And the Mosque choir responded with …? Yes, culture and non-culture are so similar…

      • JAR says

        January 9, 2017 at 3:29 pm

        Indeed, mortimer. It’s not a level playing field when not the Muslim but the Jew is religiously bound to follow the commandment that says, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
        I wonder if Haroon would have preferred a harpoon in his hand when he put his arm around cousin Fred.
        What is needed, is a fearless and relentless “Infidel Lives Matter” group to picket, boycott, protest, and bell the cat at every one of these so-called interfaith exchanges. Either that, or else a traveling group of skilled Islamic-fact-checkers to referee these visits in real-time.
        Ultimately, the “common ground” shared by both groups means nothing when the one side wants to convert or destroy you. It’s the differences that matter!
        “The bottom line is: we’re all human beings.” Well, duh. If cousin Fred thought that that day was “life changing,” just wait till he sees what Haroon has in store for him if present trends continue.

  2. @rodeo rosary says

    January 9, 2017 at 1:55 pm

    Muslim brotherhood front C A I R is Hamas stated differently in the words of the late Archie bunker case closed

  3. mortimer says

    January 9, 2017 at 2:02 pm

    Islam, after all has nothing to do with Islam. And jihad is not Islamic either. Just ignore the following:

    The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008

    (sarc/off)

  4. marina says

    January 9, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    Why don’t these Muslims tell their own co religionists about the true meaning of Jihad. They should try to dissuade these would be jihadis from waging war against the kuffars That proves they are liars hypocrites.

    • Jaladhi says

      January 9, 2017 at 2:43 pm

      They will never do that since the fellow Muslims and active jihadis know the truth and will laugh in their face. This lying hypocrite imam knows very well that what he said is not true but he will peddle it since this meaning is for the consumption of naive infidels. Pure 100% unadulterated taqiyya!!

    • gravenimage says

      January 9, 2017 at 7:14 pm

      Good point, Marina–if they *really* believed this, they would be trying to convince violent Muslims–not snowing credulous Jewish people.

  5. Angemon says

    January 9, 2017 at 2:26 pm

    Muslim-Jewish interfaith exchange reveals common ground

    As a Jewish heresy, I’d expect islam to share common traits with mainstream Judaism.

  6. Judi says

    January 9, 2017 at 2:41 pm

    I wonder how many of these 46 Jews voted for Clinton. How can they be so naive to believe anything that comes out of the mouths of muslims?

  7. ECAW says

    January 9, 2017 at 2:50 pm

    Thanks to Robert Spencer for providing all this textual evidence to counter the greater jihad nonsense. It would be enough to win any debate on the subject with any reasonable person. If only there were more of them.

    The only other thing I would take along would be this quote from David Cook:

    “In reading Muslim literature — both contemporary and classical — one can see that the evidence for the primacy of spiritual jihad is negligible. Today it is certain that no Muslim, writing in a non-Western language (such as Arabic, Persian, Urdu), would ever make claims that jihad is primarily nonviolent or has been superseded by the spiritual jihad. Such claims are made solely by Western scholars, primarily those who study Sufism and/or work in interfaith dialogue, and by Muslim apologists who are trying to present Islam in the most innocuous manner possible.”

    Professor Cook teaches at Rice University, the same place as the appalling Craig Considine. I wonder if they’ve had any interesting chats in the staff room yet.

  8. Robert_k says

    January 9, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    Reform Jews (From the Liberal movement of Judaism formed originally in 19th century Germany) do not follow traditional Jewish practice, trying to assimilate as much as possible into Germany
    They even called their Synagogues Temples to show that they no longer aspired to return from exile to Israel to re-establish the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. Hence, the name Temple Beth Am. I doubt whether it mattered if the food was kosher. After all it was Halaal! BTW, Muslims are permitted by Shsriah to eat Kosher meat.

  9. DFD says

    January 9, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    I couldn’t wait to share this!
    ====================.

    THIS IS NO JOKE !!!!!!
    ——————————-

    And I’ll cross post, I just have too!

    I wanted to post this in conjunction with some other news from Europe, towards or at the weekend. But that was burning under my fingernails, and the keys on the board were simply beckoning…

    From Germany and the Netherlands, have a laugh, BUT IT’S REAL!

    The spokes woman of the green fraction in the Bundestag, Elisabeth Scharfenberg, suggested the following: That those who are handicapped or elder, and have no physical way to ‘satisfy themselves’ (masturbation) should receive help from the state. Namely that the state will pay partially or fully for prostitutes. {** I am not kidding! **}. They would have to prove though (??) via nurses and interviews that they are unable to ‘help themselves’. Makes one wonder how the nurses will be dressed. She further stated that the commune investigate en situ for best offers… {** Again: I am not kidding! **}

    Anyway, she cited the Netherlands were those in care already receive the services of prostitutes under prescription.

    I often wondered if we Euros have lost a large portion of our proverbial “marbles”. Now I wonder, do we have any left?

    • eur says

      January 9, 2017 at 5:49 pm

      If you were paralyzed but still have sexual needs … what would you think? Is it not the same as eating, shitting or having company? Do you prefer that your mother give you a straw to relieve you or make you a professional with whom there is no bond?puajjj Because reality is so crude.

  10. Walter Sieruk says

    January 9, 2017 at 3:14 pm

    Those gathering that are called “interfaith” meeting between Muslims and people of other faiths are nothing but a hoax. For falsehoods and lies are spoken by the Muslims to non-Muslims.Such at the falsehood and lie as shown in the title of this above article. In addition that’s blatant lie that” in Islam jihad is not violent.” For deadly violence is part of Islam .As proven in that murdering jihad attack in Jerusalem this very week.

    Of the vicious and murderous truck jihad attack in the city of Jerusalem should thing need to be made clear. First, that jihad-minded Muslim was abiding to the instruction of the “holy book” of Islam, the Quran in that Islamic murder attack .For the Quran in Sura 9:111. instructs “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.” Nevertheless, there are still some who have the ignorant gall to say that Islam is “a peaceful religion.” That’s a totally bogus statement if there ever was one. Second, The Quran teaches in Sura 47:4 “Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike of their heads until you make a great slaughter among them…” Let’s face it using a truck as a weapon in the mowing down groups of people can sure make a greater “slaughter among them” than a sword can. Third, the Quran teaches in 9:123. “O you who believe ! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you…” The jihadist /Muslim who was engaging in that cruel vicious and brutal truck jihad attack in mangling, maiming and murdering people who the Quran classifies as “disbelievers” is an extremely effective way to showing those people harshness. “ This is Quranic based Islam not any kind of “hijacked “ or warped” Islam as the propagandists for this religion so falsely claim.

  11. Walter Sieruk says

    January 9, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    Those Muslim speaking to the Jewish people at that interfaith meeting there engaging in the telling of lies of falsehoods and deception for the cause of Islam .This is called Taqiyya.
    There is such a thing in Islam which his called Taqiyya .This is the Islamic doctrine the deception is a good thing to do as long as it’s done for the advancement of Islam. In strong contrast to this practice of Taqiyya is the teachings found in the Bible . For the Bible informs its readers in Proverbs 11:18. “The wicked worketh a deceitful work…” Likewise, the very next chapter[12] of the same book of Proverbs it reads in verse 5 “The counsels of the wicked are deceit .” Also further on verse 20 it instructs “Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil…” [K.J.V.]

  12. billybob says

    January 9, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    “God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels.”

    So try to wrap you head around this one. God will be your assistant if you are the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels.

    Wow! There is just so much there I didn’t know. The first thing we learn is the God – or at least “Allah” has enemies! Now an enemy is someone who can hurt you – either emotionally, financially, reputationally, physically, or even kill you. I don’t think a person who is completely harmless to you would be called you enemy, even if he didn’t like you.

    So the first thing we learn is that Allah has enemies, and that he can be harmed! How different from the Christian God that is All-Powerful. This god of the Muslims is weak, and relies on Muslims to destroy his enemies! So now we know this god is weak, we might be able to destroy him if we could find him. How’s that for a novel idea? Attack Islam right at its source. You wouldn’t even need a nuclear bomb or any modern weaponry, because Allah was afraid of infidels as they were back in Muhammad’s time. I suppose that means armed only with a sword or maybe a bow and arrow.

    The second thing we learn is that we already are the enemies of Allah – we infidels, that is. How do you feel about that? Without even flexing a muscle, Allah is afraid of you and wants you destroyed!

    So what do you have to lose? Sign up for the campaign to go destroy Allah now! Let’s finish this miserable old deceiver off once and for all.

    • citycat says

      January 9, 2017 at 8:13 pm

      Destroy Allah?
      If Allah was real.
      But Allah lives in the minds of Muslims and black magicians like Aliester Crowley.
      Destroying religious ideas can be rather difficult.
      Do you have a plan?

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      January 10, 2017 at 5:15 am

      billybob and citycat,

      Many people try to destroy Muhammad’s “Allah” and many have tried doing so in the recent past, myself included. Our plan was simple: Show Muslims that ‘Allah’ was none other than Muhammad’s alter-ego, his sock-puppet. Show Muslims that Muhammad was not only a fraud but an evil man unworthy of any respect. Destroy Muhammad and you would have destroyed Islam including its Allah.

      I put this plan to practice on ex-Muslim Ali Sina’s blog, in the comments section that was visited by many Muslims. Later I practiced it in Youtube comments. Many others have carried out the same plan at many other sites and continue to do so.

      However, even after years and years of trying, we have only put a minor dent in Muslims’ faith in Islam. The plan that seemed like a sure bet did not work. I have identified two primary reasons why this plan does not work on Muslims-

      1) Importance given to Tawheed: Muslims think that Tawheed (oneness of God) is the most important thing. The raised index finger that we see in many pictures of Muslims refers to Tawheed (also spelled Tawhid or Tauheed). According to them, since Islam firmly adheres to Tawheed it is the right religion. As for Muhammad, Muslims check his authenticity not by studying his deeds but by whether or not he emphasized Tawheed. Since he did, to Muslims he was a real messenger.

      Having said that, an even more important reason why it is so hard to destroy Allah/Mu/Islam is that:

      2) Muslims are winning. It is normal human nature that when we are winning and thriving, we think that our beliefs (and understandings) are the correct beliefs. If others are losing (or not winning), their beliefs and understandings are false (or at least not right). There are only a few people who are wise enough to realize that just because we are not encountering problems, does not automatically mean that all is well and right with our beliefs.

      Three years ago, if someone had told you that the pen is NOT mightier than the sword, and that it is the sword that is mightier than the pen, would you have believed that? I know I would have explained a hundred reasons why it was the pen that was mightier. It was not until the knives and guns successfully shut up the MSM (including Charlie Hebdo) and the bloggers in Bangladesh, that some of us realized that we needed to re-evaluate the “pen is mightier than sword” belief.

      It is the same case with Muslims. They have been winning and thriving (from their point of view). Islam keeps increasing in the east and west. The world leaders all say nice things about Islam; no one of “good repute” says bad things about this religion. Muslims are respected in the media, in the govt, in colleges, in politics, in interfaith meetings, etc etc. They get welfare benefits and other provisions, and preferential treatment. They know they are breeding faster than others, so they know one day Islam is going to rule the west. They can see that they are winning and thriving. This is the single most important reason why they cannot see that Islam is not from God.

      Our efforts to destroy Allah, Muhammad, or Islam, will continue to make negligible impact until Muslims start losing. This is why we need to get tough and hard on Islam and Muslims. We NEED to keep them out of our countries and deport as many of them as possible. We NEED to give them harsh punishments for crimes and keep them from proselytizing in prisons. We NEED to declare Islam an enemy political+military ideology, keep its followers from getting any positions of influence in society, and curtail/deny them as many welfare benefits as possible (especially benefits for having children).
      On top of that, we need to expose the true nature of Islam and Muhammad to everyone (on TV, that is), and ridicule it. Needless to say, most of the above mentioned things can be carried out only by the government.

      Only when all this happens to Islam-followers, will they see that they are losing. And only when they are losing, our arguments against Islam, Muhammad, and his “Allah” will begin to make sense to them.

  13. billybob says

    January 9, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    About the article: These Jews were consorting with the enemy. This is very harmful, as the false word spreads. These particular Muslims may have been friendly folk, but even if that was their true nature, that has nothing to do with Islam. From an Islamic perspective, Jews are the descendants of apes and pigs, and that cannot be changed by this camaraderie.

    These days we often hear the appeal from the left, or from Muslims themselves, the challenge to actually get to know Muslims. The implication being, once you get to know them you will realize that any fear of them is just “Islamophobia”.

    This brings to mind the gimmick marketed by CAIR in a spoof “ad” that showed some guy afraid of his Muslim neighbour. Then he takes a stick of this gum, and he is subsequently able to rise above his Islamophobia and get to know his neighbour, who turns out to be a nice guy. All very disarming – that that is the whole point of it. However, even if your Muslim neighbour is in fact a nice guy, that has no bearing on Islam and you cannot define Islam based on that experience. Islam remains just as insidious as it has been for the past 1400 years.

    I do hope these Jews read this page and Robert’s introduction to the article, because they aren’t doing anybody any favours by consorting with Muslims.

  14. eur says

    January 9, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    https://goo.gl/images/DzE1e4

    When they attacked Charlie hebdo some Muslims came out to express themselves, saying the typical Islam = peace .. blablabla and also …. “neither crusades nor jihad” jajaja with two balls… No crusades.. jjajaja
    These are the ones that come to integrate? They do not know what planet they live in or they know how to be very good fools. Crusades !!!!
    But the best of course is that on those posters they admit that the assassinations of Charlie hebdo is jihad … of course it is.

  15. gravenimage says

    January 9, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    Philadelphia: Muslims tell Jews at interfaith gathering that “jihad doesn’t mean to go on a battlefield and fight”
    …………………………..

    Nothing but Taqiyya to lull the “filthy Jews” into a false sense of security.

    More:

    When they visited Rashid’s mosque during the conference, Goldstein asked about a collection box he saw. Rashid said it was a Sadaqah box, used to collect money for the poor. Goldstein said, “When we go to my synagogue, I’ll show you a Tzedakah box, where we collect money for the poor.”
    …………………………..

    “Sadaqah” is more commonly called Zakat–usually mistranslated as “charity”. Some of this money may go to the poor–but it goes for *anything* that furthers the cause of Islam, and that is far more apt to be funding violent Jihad than orphanages and hospitals. Bet they aren’t going to tell these friendly Jews about *that*.

    More:

    The bottom line is: we’re all human beings.”
    …………………………..

    Well, sure. Nazis were human beings, as well. That doesn’t mean they mean they mean these trusting Jews anything good…

  16. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    January 9, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    may be the man was trying to say the term “jihad” connoting all forms of strugle to promote the religion of islam.the word “jihad” comes from the root “juhd”in arabic,which means exertion of effort.the holy prophet said when muslim fighters came back from battlefielding fighting unbelivers that they came from lesser jihad.it now remains greater jihad.the companions asked him to clarify what is greater jihad?he said the greater jihad is for one to fight evil temptation from his heart.ie purification of heart from evil temptations being whispered by the satan the cursed one.the weapons for this strugle is intensification of spiritual activities in worship.that is why sufi muslims put more emphasis on this aspect of jihad.jihad in the form of military confrontation is the last resort.it means peace is the general rule;while fighting is an exception.this is also the stand of the majority of muslim jurists,both sunni and shia.the literalist school now represented by wahhabi/salafi ideology that yield terrorist groups like isis as perverted and isolated interpretation of islam posited that jihad in the form of military confrontation is the general rule;while spirituality is an exception.their narrow reason is that without fight to establish islamic supremacy one cannot practice spirituality with ease.but this opinion held by isis contradicts clear text of the hadith refered above, and therefore null and void with no effect on the position of sharia perception of jihad.islam stands as peace not violent.resort to violence is an exceptional case.

    • Jeffie says

      January 9, 2017 at 7:07 pm

      “Aspects of jihad”? Exceptions of jihad? Jihad sure has a lot of ‘definitions’ it seems. No filthy Jew or Christian talk today?? Guess you had jihad in your mind not to post something about religions today. And the English language is still a jihad for you.

      • billybob says

        January 9, 2017 at 7:25 pm

        Actually, he handled the language very well in this piece. Very well composed. Just writing it down was the jihad for him – the sentences running together without clear distinction where one ends and the other leaves off. Perhaps Arabic is like that. Must be hard to write in English when you are used to writing from left to right in Arabic. Not sure how they distinguish one sentence from another in that language. Maybe they don’t. Not sure how they keep from smearing the ink as their hand moves across the passage just written. Maybe that is why the Quran is so obscure – all the ink was smeared in the earlier versions of which the final copy was made from.

        Ibrahim is obviously well educated, but he has very little understanding of Western culture, Christians, and Jews. He should spend some time in the West and get to know people. We aren’t the animals he thinks we are. Of course we do hate Islam, but we have good reasons – beyond the 30,000 jihad attacks since 9/11 and even 9/11 itself. The onus is upon Ibrahim to understand where that hatred comes from, since hatred is not natural to us.

        • gravenimage says

          January 9, 2017 at 8:45 pm

          billybob wrote:

          He should spend some time in the West and get to know people.
          ………………………

          With all respect, billybob, muhammed has said that he wants to see Muslims conquer us and force us to convert to Islam. Why would you want someone like that in the West?

        • billybob says

          January 9, 2017 at 8:57 pm

          Why would I want someone like that in the West? This is why…
          Ibrahim – you are invited to watch this video.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          January 9, 2017 at 9:41 pm

          Billybob, thank you for posting that video! Excellent! I am saving it and forwarding the link to others.

    • billybob says

      January 9, 2017 at 7:14 pm

      By the way – may I ask what school of Islam you belong to, since you have made it clear you are not a Wahabi in spite of you profound hatred of Christians and especially Jews?

    • gravenimage says

      January 9, 2017 at 8:35 pm

      Meretricious Muslim supremacist ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:

      may (sic) be the man was trying to say the term “jihad” connoting all forms of strugle (sic) to promote the religion of islam (sic).
      …………………………….

      No, he didn’t. If he did, he would not have claimed that Jihad doesn’t mean going on a battlefield–he would have said that this is not the only meaning. And then, hew does not make if clear that all Jihad is in the service of spreading Islam. Instead, he was just lying to the “filthy Jews”.

      And what is muhammed doing here with his dishonest nonsense? This is “Jihad of the pen”.

      More:

      the (sic) word “jihad” comes from the root “juhd”in arabic,which (sic) means exertion of effort.the (sic) holy prophet said when muslim (sic) fighters came back from battlefielding (sic) fighting unbelivers (sic) that they came from lesser jihad.it (sic) now remains greater jihad.the (sic) companions asked him to clarify what is greater jihad?he (sic) said the greater jihad is for one to fight evil temptation from his heart.ie purification (sic) of heart from evil temptations being whispered by the satan the cursed one.the weapons for this strugle (sic) is intensification of spiritual activities in worship.that is why sufi muslims put more emphasis on this aspect of jihad.
      …………………………….

      Not that the Hadith muhammed refers to is Daif (weak) or Maidu (fabricated). It is not included in any of the Sahih (reliable) collections of Hadith, like those by Bukhari or Muslim.

      There are, however, dozens of Hadith where the “Prophet” himself asserts the primacy of violent Jihad. Here is just one:

      It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.
      –Sahih Muslim 2:4696

      More:

      jihad (sic) in the form of military confrontation is the last resort.it (sic) means peace is the general rule;while (sic) fighting is an exception.this (sic) is also the stand of the majority of muslim (sic) jurists,both (sic) sunni (sic) and shia.
      …………………………….

      What muhammed does not say, of course, is that any Infidels living free from Islam constitutes a “last resort” for Muslims. Just a few days ago, muhammed himself affirmed that Muslims planned to conquer the West and force Christians to convert to islam.

      More:

      the (sic) literalist (sic) school now represented by wahhabi/salafi (sic) ideology that yield terrorist groups like isis (sic) as perverted and isolated interpretation of islam (sic) posited that jihad in the form of military confrontation is the general rule;while (sic) spirituality is an exception.their (sic) narrow reason is that without fight to establish islamic (sic) supremacy one cannot practice spirituality with ease.but (sic) this opinion held by isis contradicts clear text of the hadith (sic) refered
      (sic) above, and therefore null and void with no effect on the position of sharia perception of jihad.islam (sic) stands as peace not violent.resort (sic) to violence is an exceptional case.
      …………………………….

      Firstly, this contradicts what muhammed himself has said about conquering us and forcing us to convert to Islam.

      He has repeatedly said that ISIS, Wahabbis, and Salafists are somehow “Zionist”, even though violent Jihad is clearly a key part of orthodox Islam.

      And if violence were truly an “exceptional case”, how can muhammed explain over 30,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11? Nothing but Taqiyya for what muhammed openly calls the “filthy Jews”.

      If he were sincere, he would take up this “misunderstanding” with his violent coreligionists, rather than bothering the good Infidels at Jihad Watch with this tripe.

      • Huck Folder says

        January 10, 2017 at 1:42 am

        “Not [Note ?] that the Hadith muhammed refers to is Daif (weak) or Maidu (fabricated). It is not included in any of the Sahih (reliable) collections of Hadith, like those by Bukhari or Muslim.”

        I think this is very well covered in Wikipedia “Jihad”, and the Robert Cook quote. I don’t know if RC originated that.

        So. the ‘inner struggle’ is just so much taqiyya crap.

    • don vito says

      January 10, 2017 at 3:10 am

      itace, how does a kufr safeguard his blood and property, from the likes of your evil, smelly, grasping prophet?

  17. citycat says

    January 9, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    I suppose it depends what is a “battlefield”
    The Hindus talk of “battlefield” which is the consciousness or something of the person, and the battle is to overcome stuff that binds one’s freedom of being, type of thing.
    No freedom in Islãm.
    The “battlefield” can be a corner shop taking custom from infidels.
    Or the world of words where weapons like “Islãmophobia” are fashioned out of infidel components.
    The “battlefield” is also Earth that is gradually being populated with weapons of war, ie Muslims.
    You name it. If it is not Islãm’s then it is a “battlefield”.
    Islãm’s growth is land and booty, not spiritual growth.
    So once Earth is conquered by Islãm then Islãm will start to die from inner negativity, anti-nature, and low level unnatural sex.
    Take Allah away, what’s left, a narcissist.
    You mix the religions, what’s common in them? Different God, messenger and morality at least.
    Even Protestants and Catholics don’t gel. Sunni and Shia don’t gel.
    We’re humans.
    What religion is that?

  18. VRWC member77 says

    January 9, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    TO ibrahim itace muhammed:

    *******JIHAD ******

    The QURAN:

    Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”

    —– The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from “fitna” which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until “religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

    Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

    Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

    — Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. —

    Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

    Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.

    — This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’). —

    Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”

    — The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers. Actually suicide bombers are NOT martyrs since they are deliberately killing others while taking their own lives. It is a murder suicide action in which they engage, NOT martyrdom. —

    Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

    Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

    Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-”

    — This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse). —

    Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…”

    — Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense? —

    Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

    Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

    — No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. —

  19. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    January 10, 2017 at 1:37 am

    ignorant filthy vrcw,we never tell you that jihad war will not involve killings,including striking on the head and neck as contained in number of quranic verses you refered to.but we are saying such acts of violence are last resort when circumstance warrants.the holy prophet muhammad who is the best interpreter of those verses told us that they apply only when jihasd in the form of military confrontation is resorted.he said resort to military confrontation is lesser jihad.fighting evil temptations from one’s heart or sprituality is greater jihad.in the light of that the majority of muslim jurists from 4 sunni schools of interpretation and those of shia posited that peace is the general rule in islam;while resort to violence at war front is an exception.those verses you refered to are actually describing what muslim fighters should do at the battlefield as military tactics.see hamidullah:islamic law of war and peace for detail.you filthy ignorant elements could not understand the style of the quran,because you associate with devil the founder of mithraism from which filthy christianity evolved.devil is also the mentor of evil jews and idol worshipers like dirty and horribly bad smelly hindus.

    • don vito says

      January 10, 2017 at 3:06 am

      itace, how does a kufr safeguard his blood and property from the grasping hands of your lying filthy, smelly prophet?

      • Shmooviyet says

        January 10, 2017 at 10:26 am

        Once again no one home… His phoney ‘educational attempt’ mask of earlier post has slipped and he’s back to the ‘ignorant-filthy-smelly-dirty others can’t possibly grasp the greatness of the quran’, of earlier posts as @Jeffie pointed out above.
        However it’s explained to a kuffar dummy like myself, it still comes across as a ‘battlefield’ can be an airport, nightclub, street, mall, Christmas market, synagogue, church etc.

    • danny says

      January 10, 2017 at 5:48 am

      @ Ibrahim itace Mohammed, you are the major reasons Muslims should be expelled from the west. You are too dangerous to live among reasonable human.

  20. Channah says

    January 10, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    Oh how sweet. So it looks like Psalm 133 has replaced Kumbaya as the idiot song? Unity? I know hatred can blind one to truth, but can false love also cause blindness? When are the reform going to come to Gaza to try this all out? Good luck with that.

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