Was Mohammed a true prophet? Debate between Andrew Rogers and Andrew Livingston

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  1. θ says:

    Abu Dawud , Book 14, Number 2608.
    Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet said: Go in Allah’s name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah’s Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, o a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.

    versus:
    The child-killer.
    Rev 2:23
    And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

  2. θ says:

    Jesus curses a fig tree after he mistakenly presumed it was on the season of fruits.
    Mt 21:19
    And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

    Blessing hands of Prophet Muhammad make the palm-trees more fruitful.
    Shema’il Muhammadiyah, Book 2, Hadith 20
    Buraydah bin Radiyallahu ‘Anhu reports: Rasullullah Sallallahu ‘Alayhi Wasallam planted the palms with his mubaarak hands and it was his mu’jizah(miracle) that all the palms bore fruit in the same year. One tree among these did not bear fruit. Upon investigating it was found that Umar Radiyallahu ‘Anhu had planted this tree, and that it was not planted by Rasullullah Sallallahu ‘Alayhi Wasallam. Rasullullah Sallallahu ‘Alayhi Wasallam removed this palm and replanted it. Another mu’jizah Rasullullah Sallallahu ‘Alayhi Wasallam is that he planted the palms out of season and they bore fruit the same year.

    Prophet Muhammad was given by Allah a knowledge of the future, such as ability of forecasting correctly the windy storm, and ability of estimating correctly the amount of the fruits when the time of harvest comes.
    Bukhari Vol. 2, Book 24, Hadith 559
    Narrated Abu Humaid As-Sa`idi: We took part in the holy battle of Tabuk in the company of the Prophet and when we arrived at the Wadi-al-Qura, there was a woman in her garden. The Prophet asked his companions to estimate the amount of the fruits in the garden, and Allah’s Messenger estimated it at ten Awsuq. The Prophet said to that lady, “Check what your garden will yield.” When we reached Tabuk, the Prophet said, “There will be a strong wind tonight and so no one should stand and whoever has a camel, should fasten it.” So we fastened our camels. A strong wind blew at night and a man stood up and he was blown away to a mountain called Taiy, The King of Aila sent a white mule and a sheet for wearing to the Prophet as a present, and wrote to the Prophet that his people would stay in their place (and will pay Jizya taxation.) When the Prophet reached Wadi-al- Qura he asked that woman how much her garden had yielded. She said, “Ten Awsuq,” and that was what Allah’s Messenger had estimated.

    Blessing presence of Prophet Muhammad over the garden:
    Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 41, Hadith 581
    Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah: Allah’s Apostle entered the garden of the date-palms, wandering among the trees and ordered me (saying), “Pluck (the fruits) and give him his due.” So, I plucked the fruits for him after the departure of Allah’s Apostle and gave his thirty Awsuq, and still had seventeen Awsuq extra for myself. Jabir said: I went to Allah’s Messenger to inform of what had happened, but found him praying the `Asr prayer. After the prayer I told him about the extra fruits which remained. Allah’s Messenger told me to inform (`Umar) Ibn Al-Khattab about it. When I went to `Umar and told him about it, `Umar said, “When Allah’s Messenger walked in your garden, I was sure that Allah would definitely bless it.

    Blessing of Prophet Muhammad over the trees:
    Bukhari Vol. 3, Book 41, Hadith 580
    Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah: My father was martyred on the day (of the battle) of Uhud, and he was in debt. His creditors demanded their rights persistently. I went to the Prophet (and informed him about it). He told them to take the fruits of my garden and exempt my father from the debts but they refused to do so. So, the Prophet did not give them my garden and told me that he would come to me the next morning. He came to us early in the morning and wandered among the date-palms and invoked Allah to bless their fruits. I then plucked the dates and paid the creditors, and there remained some of the dates for us.

    A humble manner of Prophet Muhammad on his personal opinion.
    Muslim, Book 30, Hadith 5830
    Musa b. Talha reported: Allah’s Messenger said: If there is any use of it, then they should do it, for it was just a personal opinion of mine, and do not go after my personal opinion; but when I say to you anything on behalf of Allah, then do accept it, for I do not attribute lie to Allah, the Exalted and Glorious.

  3. madmanna says:

    “versus:
    The child-killer, of the Koran:

    [18.74] So they went on until, when they met a boy, he slew him. (Musa) said: Have you slain an innocent person otherwise than for manslaughter? Certainly you have done an evil thing.
    [18.80] And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them:

  4. θ says:

    That’s different. Khidr knows the future that the boy shall be evil, whereas Jeuss doesn’t know..
    In Jesus case, he vows to kill the innocent children without knowing their future whether those children would be evil or pious. They shall be killed by Jesus for a known sin of their whoring mother.

  5. madmanna says:

    They are ideological children or offspring, not minors.

  6. θ says:

    The killing of children Rev 2:23 is literal and fully consistent with what Jesus shall do twice to kill the small ones.
    (i) Small ones at the Babylon.
    Jesus shall blindly send down fire and brimstone upon the small ones (including children) whose hand or head was forced to receive a mark of the beast.
    Jesus shall not ask “why” or “how” those children have got the mark, but he will exterminate them all.
    Rev 13
    15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.16 And he causeth all, both small (Greek: microus) and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    Rev 14
    9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    (ii) Small ones everywhere.
    By using his sword, Jesus shall blindly kill and uncompromisingly slay all small ones (including innocent children) whose hand or head was forced to receive a mark of the beast, so that their flesh and corpses shall be eaten by the fowls.
    Jesus shall not ask “why” or “how” those children have got the mark, but he will exterminate them all.
    Rev 13
    16 And he causeth all, both small (Greek: microus) and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    Rev 19
    21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

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