Abraham would never have built a structure such as the Kaaba. It would be condemned as an idolatrous building under the law of Moses

The Altar of Sacrifice

(Deuteronomy 27:1-10)

Exodus 20 v 24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee. 25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. 26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

A quadratic  structure like the Kaaba could only be built from hewn stones. Also such an enclosed structure was neither suitable nor sanctioned by God to offer up burnt offerings which was the only acceptable form of ritual worship of God before Moses built the tabernacle. Thus we must conclude once again that Islam is a false religion.

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9 Responses to Abraham would never have built a structure such as the Kaaba. It would be condemned as an idolatrous building under the law of Moses

  1. θ says:

    From the perspective of religion of Abraham, the Moses’ law is a superfluous invention to accommodate the hardened hearts of Jews, but at the beginning God had not willed to impose so many sets of rules and laws.

    Ka’bah was once the house where Adam and Eve were living. The mountainous ground around the town of Mina is the place where Abel’s sacrifice was accepted and a substitution sacrifice (Ishmael to a ram) was carried out by Abraham.

    Islam is not based on Moses’ Torah.
    Islam is a continuation of Abraham’s religion following the old ways of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Shem and Melchisedek.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Throughout 12 portions of lands, the tribes of Jacob have many unhewn altars known as the “High places” til days of the king Josiah – alongside one central Temple for the tribe of Judah in Jerusalem – without getting any complaint from God and Prophets.

    It is not clear from the Tanach whether the 2nd Temple’s altar came from the unhewn stone, or not, because Ezra rather cited a narration that the priests and family of Zerubbabel *build* the altar – apparently allusion for hewing a stone – similar to the work of hewing the stone by certain tribes.
    Ezra 3:2
    Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
    Josh 22:16
    Thus saith the whole congregation of the LORD, What trespass is this that ye have committed against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the LORD, in that ye have builded you an altar, that ye might rebel this day against the LORD?

    Each synagogue has its own unhewn altar:
    It is permitted by God and Prophets for each Jewish synagogue a “High Place” (bemah) is made as the elevated platform from which the Torah is read. It traditionally had its origin from a tradition in Jerusalem Temple wherein the Israeli king reads the Torah every 7 years during the Feast of Tabernacles according to Deuteronomy 31:10-13. The bemah is located in the center at the Orthodox synagogues, but in the front at the Reform synagogues.

    Even God permits the establishment of the unhewn altar outside of the Canaan land:
    Isa 19:19
    In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
    //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_place
    The rule of the Law of Moses that sacrifice can be offered to Yahweh only at the Temple in Jerusalem was never fully established in fact. The Jewish military colonists in Elephantine (Africa) in the 5th century BC had their altar of Yahweh beside the highway; the Jews in Egypt in the Ptolemaic period had, besides many local sanctuaries, one greater temple at Leontopolis, with a priesthood whose claim to “valid orders” was much better than that of the High Priests in Jerusalem, and the legitimacy of whose worship is admitted even by the Palestinian rabbis.

  3. madmanna says:

    Describing the building of the temple:

    1 Kings 7:11 Above were high-grade stones, cut to size, and cedar …
    … And above were costly stones, hewn stones, according to the measures, and cedar. …
    And above were costly stones, after the measures of hewn stones, and cedars. …
    //biblehub.com/1_kings/7-11.htm – 17k
    1 Kings 7:9 All these structures, from the outside to the great …
    … All these buildings were of costly stones, hewn stones, according to the measures,
    sawed with saws, within and without, even from the foundation to the coping …
    //biblehub.com/1_kings/7-9.htm – 20k
    1 Kings 7:12 The great courtyard was surrounded by a wall of three …
    … And the great court round about had three rows of hewn stones, and a row of
    cedar-beams; and so it was for the inner court of the house of Jehovah, and the …
    //biblehub.com/1_kings/7-12.htm – 19k
    1 Kings 5:17 At the king’s command they removed from the quarry …
    … And the king commanded, and they brought great stones, costly stones,
    and hewn stones, to lay the foundation of the house. …
    //biblehub.com/1_kings/5-17.htm – 18k
    1 Chronicles 22:2 So David gave orders to assemble the foreigners …
    … And David commanded to gather together the sojourners that were in the land of Israel;
    and he set masons to cut hewn stones to build the house of God. …
    //biblehub.com/1_chronicles/22-2.htm – 19k

    If Abraham had built the kaaba it was an illegal construction, not authorized by Jehovah.

    The law of Moses could not be inconsistent with the practices that went before which would be the case if Abraham had built the Kaaba.

    Just another fairy tale of Islam anyways.

    If God had commanded a house to be built it must be built after the pattern of the tabernacle. The Kaaba has no symbolism or furniture by which to approach God therefore it is a pagan structure to which Muslims bow thus proving that their religion is pagan.

    ““High places” til days of the king Josiah – alongside one central Temple for the tribe of Judah in Jerusalem – without getting any complaint from God and Prophets.”

    It would depend what worship was carried out there. The prophets often spoke against the high places.

    After the building of the temple there was no need for the high places.

    This is just your red herring which is not the topic of the post anyway. I am discussing how an acceptable place of worship was constructed, not it’s location.

  4. θ says:

    “madmanna says: If God had commanded a house to be built it must be built after the pattern of the tabernacle. The Kaaba has no symbolism or furniture by which to approach God”

    What tabernacle? God commanded Moses to build a tabernacle that resembled Moses’ ark, not the New Jerusalem.
    If you see illustrative differences between an empty cubicle Ka’bah and so many earthy decorations of Jerusalem Temple, and compare them to the description of the New Jerusalem in the book of Revelation, you shall agree that Ka’bah resembles the New Jerusalem more than that of Jerusalem Temple.

    Facts of the New Jerusalem: there’s no temple, no menorah, no Ark, no Torah’s tablet, no statue of cherubim, no veil or curtain, no Aaron’s staff, not pot of manna, no table for showbread, and no altar of incense.

    Facts of Ka’bah: a cubicle structure, four walls, gate, the stream of Zamzam below the foundation (allusion for the healing rivers), and the sideways yard (allusion for the Tree of Life), and foundation stone of the Black Stone (allusion for 12 foundation stones), and 3 pillars inside Ka’bah (allusion for 3 gates of each sides for the New Jerusalem).

    //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jerusalem
    John’s elaborate description of the New Jerusalem retains many features of the Garden of Eden and the paradise garden, such as rivers, a square shape, a wall, and the Tree of Life.
    Gates
    There are twelve gates in the wall oriented to the compass with three each on the east, north, south, and west sides. There is an angel at each gate, or gatehouse.
    Foundation stones
    The wall has twelve foundation stones, and on these are written the names of the Twelve Apostles.
    Revelation 21:22
    Verse 22 marks a sudden and remarkable shift in New Jerusalem apocalyptic rhetoric: “I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb.” Following with the tradition of 3 Baruch and 4 Sibylline Oracles, Revelation foresees an eschaton without the Temple. Why has the Revelation suddenly denied an eschatological Temple? Verse 23 sheds light on this disparity.
    Verse 23 proclaims, “And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God is the light, and its lamp is the lamb.” For the author of Revelation, there is no need for a Temple because the Lord will be the New Jerusalem’s eternal light and Jesus (the lamb) will be its lamp. This re-interpretation utilizes Isaiah to make its case: “The LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory. Your sun shall no more go down, or your moon withdraw itself; for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of mourning shall be ended.” (Isaiah 60:19)

  5. madmanna says:

    Yes, but not before the time of fulfilment, which was after Abrahams time. An empty building, such as the Kaaba, does not glorify God in any way, shape or form. It cannot be a temple of the same type as the Lamb.

  6. θ says:

    “madmanna says: An empty building, such as the Kaaba, does not glorify God in any way, shape or form.” It cannot be a temple of the same type as the Lamb.”

    John also saw the empty New Jerusalem since none was allowed to enter it or walk inside it yet.

    “madmanna says: It cannot be a temple of the same type as the Lamb.”

    In fact the design of Jerusalem temple causes a question.
    Why doesn’t the temple follow the design of the New Jerusalem in Heaven? So, how can it glorify God?
    Even we never know for sure from what structures the design of temple is taken from. We never know the real reasons why it was not designed like the Heavenly Jerusalem.

  7. madmanna says:

    The vision is never the actual reality of the thing that it represents. It symbolizes features of the thing that it represents. the spiritual temple does not have a physical form

    “I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb.”

    God and the Lamb is represented in all the symbols of the earthly temple.

  8. madmanna says:

    Which is why the Kaaba is a pagan structure. It is devoid of any symbolical truth.

  9. θ says:

    “madmanna says: The vision is never the actual reality of the thing that it represents. It symbolizes features of the thing that it represents. the spiritual temple does not have a physical form “I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb.” ”

    Once again, From what structure is the physical design of Jerusalem Temple taken? Moreover, since the “spiritual temple” in Heaven doesn’t resemble physical structure of Jerusalem temple, the question remains: From what building was the temple’s architecture based upon?

    At least we Moslems can claim that our Ka’bah resembles the empty New Jerusale as much as what was seen by John.

    “madmanna says: God and the Lamb is represented in all the symbols of the earthly temple.”

    That’s just a wishful rhetoric, in fact it’s too far from reality.
    In their earthy temple Jews have rather two cherubim of stone, not the Lamb. Why do Jews not put three statues of cherubim to represent the three Persons?

    In their earthy temple Jews put one item of Table for showbread, so why do Jews put the symbol of the taxes and tithes from the people in the temple?

    In their earthy temple Jews have the Aaron’s wooden staff and the stone altar of incense, so do Jews put some man-made artifacts in the temple?

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