The Study Quran, commentary on Sura 65 v 4

Sahih International

O Prophet, when you [Muslims] divorce women, divorce them for [the commencement of] their waiting period and keep count of the waiting period, and fear Allah , your Lord. Do not turn them out of their [husbands’] houses, nor should they [themselves] leave [during that period] unless they are committing a clear immorality. And those are the limits [set by] Allah . And whoever transgresses the limits of Allah has certainly wronged himself. You know not; perhaps Allah will bring about after that a [different] matter.

Sahih International

And when they have [nearly] fulfilled their term, either retain them according to acceptable terms or part with them according to acceptable terms. And bring to witness two just men from among you and establish the testimony for [the acceptance of] Allah . That is instructed to whoever should believe in Allah and the Last day. And whoever fears Allah – He will make for him a way out

Sahih International

And will provide for him from where he does not expect. And whoever relies upon Allah – then He is sufficient for him. Indeed, Allah will accomplish His purpose. Allah has already set for everything a [decreed] extent.

Sahih International

And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women – if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah – He will make for him of his matter ease.

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It is reported that the Companion Ubayy ibn Kab said to the Prophet. “People say that there remain women regarding whom nothing was mentioned in the Quran, the young and those who are pregnant”, then this verse was revealed ( 1K, Q, W ). As three courses ( see 2:228 ) for women who no longer menstruate cannot be determined, they are to wait three months until the divorce is complete. If, however, their spouses have died, they are to wait four months and ten days before they may remarry ( see 2:234 ). But those who are pregnant are to wait until they have delivered before the divorce is considered complete. If you are unsure can be seen as a clarification related to v 1 meaning, “Expel them not from their houses if you are unsure that the waiting period has concluded” (Q). That God appoints ease for those who reverence Him is here understood to mean that, if a couple are mindful of these conditions, God will make it easy for them to reconcile before the divorce is complete (Q). It could also be a general recognition of the difficulties divorce entails, especially during the waiting period when the estranged spouses might continue to have regular contact with each other.

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5 Responses to The Study Quran, commentary on Sura 65 v 4

  1. θ says:

    “madmanna says: As three courses ( see 2:228 ) for women who no longer menstruate cannot be determined, they are to wait three months until the divorce is complete. If, however, their spouses have died, they are to wait four months and ten days before they may remarry ( see 2:234 ).

    Thanks for providing a helping argument, now as you can read, Iddah has many variations.
    (i) No Iddah at all, for the divorced virgin wife, and the divorced virgin fiancee.
    (ii) The Iddah three months, for the divorcement by a living husband (in marriage) or by a living fiance (in betrothal).
    (iii) The Iddah because of the death of husband or fiance: for the consummated wife it is 4 months 10 days, but for the virgin one it is 3 months only.

  2. madmanna says:

    After the child bride who is not yet menstruating is married her husband has all rights over her. If he divorces her, which he has the right to do under Sharia, he must wait 3 months till he evicts her, according to 65 v 4. That is the bottom line:

    And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women – if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated.

  3. θ says:

    “madmanna says: After the child bride who is not yet menstruating is married her husband has all rights over her.”

    There’s no marriage with prepubescent girl (Sabyan), at most just betrothal.
    Marriage can only be valid after the woman reaches her puberty (Bikr).

    Taking a fiancee to bed before the formal marriage is fulfilled is a sin. The betrothal just permits the in-house meeting (visitation as hanging out) and saying a proper saying or conversing politely, but not for a physical touching or groping.
    Tirmidhi, Number 3118,
    Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab, the Prophet said, Whenever a man is alone with a woman the Devil makes a third.

    The precondition of puberty is one of items termed by Qur’an as “Scriptural terms” (Hatta Yablughal Kitabu Ajaluhu), beside Iddah and female consent.
    Q.2, v.235 There is no blame upon you for that to which you allude concerning a proposal to women or for what you conceal within yourselves. Allah knows that you will have them in mind. But do not promise them secretly except for saying a proper saying. And do not determine to take a marriage ties until it reaches the Scriptural terms. And know that Allah knows what is within yourselves, so beware of Him. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.

    Practice of Islamic betrothal doesn’t give a permission for couple to physically grope, fondle, caress, let alone to fornicate, sleep and thighing on the bed. Even a fiance can’t sneak in, visit and stay at his fiancee’s house at time when her parents went out. Both fiance and fiancee are still liable for regular punishment of scourging if they get caught red-handed of fornicating under four eyewitnesses.

    Different than Judaism and Christianity, Islam is not the religion of paedophilia.
    Islam legalises what is called the Age of Marriage (adrakat Faradiya), that is marked by the biological puberty on both man and woman. The Age of Marriage is the time when a person can personally verify and give permission over any agreement which involves his or her life. In Hadith, Prophet Muhammad makes a unique emphasis that it is essential to ask the consent or permission (Tusta’dhan) of any woman after she attains her puberty.
    Bukhari, Vol. 9, Book 86, Hadith 101
    Narrated `Aisha: Allah’s Messenger said, It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage). I said, A virgin feels shy. The Prophet said, Her silence means her consent. To people he said, If a man falls in love with an orphan slave girl or a virgin and she refuses (him) and then he makes a trick by bringing two false witnesses to testify that he has married her, and then she attains the age of puberty (Fa adrakat Faradiyati) and agrees to marry him and the judge (Qadi) accepts the false witness and the husband knows that the witnesses were false ones, he may consummate his marriage.

    Paedophilia is not a sin in the Bible.
    Basically, the Protestantism doesn’t acknowledge the Age of marriage, hence the Reformed or Protestants just practice a silent overlook of paedophilia, whereas in the Catholicism the marriageable age is 14 y.o. In the Rabbinical Judaism the men are allowed to marry underage girls (known as Ketannah) from 3 y.o. to 12 years plus one day.

    The underage betrothal involved a boy (fiance) or a little girl (fiancee) is allowed in Islam as well as Judaism and Christianity.
    In Islam, both practice of betrothal and marriage are called Nikah. The consummation of betrothal to be a formal marriage needs a judge (Qadi) for validation. Any betrothal that was imposed upon an underage girl can be immediately invalidated by herself after she attains her puberty – as she now has personal responsibility and consent – without any compulsion of anyone.

    Betrothal of Islam is marked by a financial symbol called “Sadaqa” (bride-price) or “Hiba” (gift). Nevertheless, any future annulment of the betrothal would put obligation on the fiance to give up a half of the price for his fiancee, unless she or her family gave a pardon and a writing-off.
    Muwatta, Book 28, Hadith 11
    He (Malik) said, Whatever is given as a condition by which marriage occurs belongs to the woman if she wants it. If the husband parts from her before the marriage is consummated, the husband has half of the unreturnable gift (Hiba’) by which the marriage occurred. Malik said about a man who married off his young son (ghulam) and the son had no wealth at all, that the bride-price was obliged of the father if the young man had no property on the day of marriage. If the young man did have property the bride-price was taken from his property unless the father stipulated that he would pay the bride-price. The marriage was affirmed for the son if he was a minor only if he was under the guardianship of his father. Malik said that if a man divorced his wife before he had consummated the marriage and she was a virgin, her father returned half of the bride-price to him. That half was permitted to the husband from the father to compensate him for his expenses. Malik said that that was because Allah, the Blessed, the Exalted, said in His Book, “Unless they (women with whom he had not consummated marriage) make remission or he makes remission to him in whose hand is the knot of marriage.” (Sura 2:237). He is the father of a virgin daughter or the master of a female slave.

  4. madmanna says:

    All your rambling about the betrothed is irrelevant. The child bride is married and is not menstruating so the husband must wait 3 months. 61 v 4 gives the law for this situation.

  5. θ says:

    “madmanna says: The child bride is married and is not menstruating so the husband must wait 3 months. ”

    Q.65, v.4 just talks about “betrothal” with an underage fiancee and termination of betrothal due to the death of fiance.

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