John 1 and 1 John 1 agree that the only begotten Logos or Word is the eternal Word of life who gives life and light to all men. Therefore the Logos is God

The Beginning

(Genesis 1:1-2)

John 1 v 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The Witness of John

(Malachi 3:1-5)

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Word Made His Dwelling among Us

(Psalm 84:1-12)

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The Word of Life

(Luke 24:36-43; John 20:19-23)

 1 John 1 v 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

Walking in the Light

(John 8:12-30)

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

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11 Responses to John 1 and 1 John 1 agree that the only begotten Logos or Word is the eternal Word of life who gives life and light to all men. Therefore the Logos is God

  1. Anonymous says:

    God is never identified as the life in the Tanach and the NT Bible. The Law is identified as life and light. The Trinitarians need more than just two words “life” and “light” to argue for the divinity of Jesus, otherwise they should have formulated a new deification for the Law.
    (i) The Law as a way of righteousness and the wisdom is also the life. Would the Trinitarians worship the law and wisdom?
    Prov 12:28
    In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
    Jn 12:50
    And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
    Prov 8:35
    For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.

    (ii) The Law is also the light. Would the Trinitarians worship the Law?
    Prov 6:23
    For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

    (iii) Eternal or everlasting life is preconditioned by the good works:
    Mt 25:46
    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
    Jn 4:36
    And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.
    Jn 5:39
    Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
    Jn 12:25
    He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
    Rom 2
    5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

  2. madmanna says:

    There is no mention of the law. It is a non-mediated light given at birth which is spoken of here.

  3. θ says:

    Neither John 1:1 nor 1John 1:1 explicitly and implicitly establish a statement that the Word is Jesus, neither do both verses identify the Word with Jesus or the Son of God. It is just Trinitarian allegation and wishful thinking.

    What is quite true concerning the nature of Jesus in the NT Bible is, he’s just a God-made Wisdom coming from God’s mouth.
    What’s the Wisdom? It is a higher creation.
    1Cor 1:24
    But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the Wisdom of God.
    Prov 2:6
    For the LORD giveth Wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

    Jesus was a created Wisdom from God’s mouth just like the rest of heavenly host coming from God’s mouth:
    Ps 33:6
    By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
    Prov 8
    22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

    So what is the Word?
    The Word is the speech attribute of God. It is divine because it’s God’s attribute, hence it “was” once God aforetime.
    But after coming from God’s mouth, the Word now “becomes” the heavenly hosts, Jesus the Wisdom, and the writings known as the Gospels.
    According to 1John 1:1, the Word is the written Gospels handled and touched by early Christians, including the 4th Gospel wherein verse John 1:1 mentions the origin of the Word that was written by John as well.

    The Word handled and touched by the hands of early Christians is the Gospels.
    1Jn 1
    1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;2 For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;

    Gospels also declare a fellowship “with” Jesus and “with” men who wrote them, hence as a fellowship the Word can’t be Jesus himself.
    The Word written by the hands of early Christians is the Gospels, hence as a writing the Word can’t be Jesus himself.
    1Jn 1
    3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

  4. Anonymous says:

    The Simple Perfect Tense is used largely in the Bible. If the Word in John 1:1 were to mean the eternal Jehovah, John should have written his statement in the Simple Perfect “the Word has been God”, but he doesn’t.
    The use of a notable linking verb designated for the Past Tense “was” in John 1:1 is very much significant.
    It is consistent throughout the Bible that verses referring to Jehovah’s eternal divinity always use the Perfect Tense and the Simple Present. None of the verses referring to Jehovah’s eternal divinity uses the pastime.
    Ps 25:6
    Remember, O LORD, thy tender mercies and thy lovingkindnesses; for they have been ever of old.
    Ps 90:1
    A Prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
    Rom 11:34
    For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
    Isa 40:13
    Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

  5. θ says:

    Is Jesus borrowing the old idea of glory of preexistence from Jewish Apocrypha?

    Certain Apocryphal sources of Judaism believe in many things existent from the beginning, including a preexistent glory to be shared with the righteous ones.
    //www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12339-preexistence
    and the glory or the light of the first day is prepared for the righteous (Apoc. Baruch, xlviii. 49, lix. 11, lxvi. 7; IV Esd. vii. 9, viii. 52; comp. Ḥag. 12a; Gen. R. iii. 6).
    Jn 17
    5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    In John’s Gospel, Jesus prays to be endowed again with a specific “primordial glory” before the world began that was preexistent alongside himself and the Father, yet distinctly it (preexistent glory) is neither Jesus, nor the Father, nor the Disciples whom eventually Jesus shared it with.
    The shareable glory – despite being preexistent – is still one inanimate thing, as attributable property just like another attribute the Word (attribute of speech) in John 1:1.
    Isa 48:3
    I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

    It is important to note that the phrase “I did them suddenly, and they came to pass” clearly refers to the action of creating Ex-Nihilo before the world began, coming from God’s mouth, using the word of God.

  6. θ says:

    There are many things coming from God’s mouth, but it doesn’t mean they are inherent parts of God. Only the Word before proceeding from God’s nature was once divine. But not after that.
    Isa 48:3
    I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

    It is important to note that the phrase “I did them suddenly, and they came to pass” clearly refers to the action of creating Ex-Nihilo before the world began, coming from God’s mouth, using the word of God.

    In Qur’an:
    Verily, whatever of His command when He intends a thing He just says to it, Be, and it is.

  7. θ says:

    In John’s Gospel, Jesus prays for being endowed again with a specific “primordial glory” before the world began that was preexistent alongside himself and the Father, yet distinctly it (preexistent glory) is neither Jesus, nor the Father, nor the Disciples whom eventually Jesus shared it with.
    The shareable glory – despite being preexistent – is still one inanimate thing, as attributable property just like another attribute the Word (attribute of speech) in Jn 1:1.
    Certain Apocryphal sources of Judaism believe in many things existent from the beginning, including a preexistent glory to be shared with the righteous ones.

    Is Jesus borrowing the old idea of glory of preexistence from Jewish Apocrypha?
    Apoc. Baruch 66
    7 For on his account and on account of those who are like him were the honorable glories, of which you were told before, created and prepared. These arc the bright waters which you have seen.
    Apoc. Baruch 48
    49 And I will recount their blessedness, And not be silent in celebrating their glory, which is reserved for them.
    Apoc. Baruch 59
    11 And the treasuries of light, and the changes of the times, and the investigations of the law. 12 These are the bright fourth waters which you have seen.

    Apoc. Baruch 21
    23 And reprove accordingly the angel of death, and let Your glory appear, and let the might of Your beauty be known, and let Sheol be sealed so that from this time forward it may not receive the dead, and let the treasuries of souls restore those which are enclosed in them.
    Apoc. Baruch 30
    2 Then all who have fallen asleep in hope of Him shall rise again. And it shall come to pass at that time that the treasuries will be opened in which is preserved the number of the souls of the righteous, and they shall come forth, and a multitude of souls shall be seen together in one assemblage of one thought, and the first shall rejoice and the last shall not be grieved.

    4 Esdras 4
    41 Then said I, No, Lord, that she cannot. And he said unto me, In the grave the chambers of souls are like the womb of a woman.

    4 Esdras 7
    32 And the earth shall restore those that are asleep in her, and so shall the dust those that dwell in silence, and the secret places shall deliver those souls that were committed unto them.95 The fourth order: they understand the rest in which they are gathered into their chambers; and they shall rest in profound quiet while guarded by angels, and what glory awaits them in the last.

  8. madmanna says:

    “So what is the Word?
    The Word is the speech attribute of God. It is divine because it’s God’s attribute, hence it “was” once God aforetime.”

    Speech is a voluntary act of communication of God with his creatures. It cannot as such be an attribute. Attributes are constant, immutable and necessary to God’s being. Speech is not such. Otherwise God could not exist without his creatures because he would not have anything to communicate with by speech.

    An act of speech is caused by God therefore it cannot be an attribute of God because an effect cannot be equated with it’s cause.

    There is an internal interaction or communicatiion within God, which is necessary to God’s Being within God between God who is the Word and God who is not the Word.

    The Word was with God and the Word was God.

  9. θ says:

    “madmanna says: Speech is a voluntary act of communication of God with his creatures. ”

    Not at all. An act like singing alone or whistling rhythmically is a way of voicing privately and personally without having to communicate or to have any audience.
    One doesn’t need the words when whistling alone to express what is in one’s mood.
    In fact, it is a talk or conversation that is actually communication in the form of voice of speaker using the set of audible words.
    In a talk, one expects his words to be heard.
    But, the speech is a verbal ability as way to express emotions. Giving a speech means utilising the voice to bring up what is in the mind and the mood, regardless whether there’s any listener or not.
    Jn 8:43
    Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

    “It cannot as such be an attribute. ”

    God can sing alone or whistle rhythmically to express His private joyous emotions without having to communicate it to anyone else.

    “Attributes are constant, immutable and necessary to God’s being. ”

    Ability of speech, namely to exert a verbal expression for expressing His joy never misses from God, rather it is always intact with Him. God can groan, sing, whistle along with talking.

    “Speech is not such. ”

    No man can argue that the act of singing alone, or whistling in rhythms privately, or groaning personally is an expression of speech also.

    “Otherwise God could not exist without his creatures because he would not have anything to communicate with by speech.”

    One doesn’t need the audiences when singing alone to express what is in one’s mood.
    One doesn’t need the words when whistling alone to express what is in one’s mood.

    “An act of speech is caused by God therefore it cannot be an attribute of God because an effect cannot be equated with it’s cause.”

    Speech is the hidden ability to do a speaking of the audible words.
    Audible word is the effect of the expressive cause, that is ability to speech.

    “There is an internal interaction or communicatiion within God, which is necessary to God’s Being within God between God who is the Word and God who is not the Word.”

    Self-expression like sing alone is a manifestation of what’s in God’s joys.

    “The Word was with God and the Word was God.”

    A notable linking verb designated for the Past Tense “Was” means right now the Word “is” no longer God. If John were to refer to the eternal divinity, he should have said it in the Perfect Tense “the Word has been God”.
    In a nutshell, an act like singing alone or whistling rhythmically or groaning personally is a way of expression privately of what’s in the mind and what ‘s felt, without having to communicate or to have any audience.

  10. θ says:

    God sings:
    Zeph 3:17
    The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.

    God groans:
    Isa 42:13
    The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

    God shouts:
    Ps 47:5
    God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet.

    God whistles:
    Zech 10:8
    I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.
    Isa 5:26
    And he will lift up an ensign to the nations from far, and will hiss unto them from the end of the earth: and, behold, they shall come with speed swiftly:
    Isa 7:18
    And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.

  11. Anonymous says:

    There are many “words” spoken by Jehovah, which none else knows of but he alone, at the time when the words were being uttered. That proves God doesn’t expect a conversation to communicate his voices or to be heard, it just his personal speech to express emotions privately.
    Isa 49:1
    Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

    Interestingly, Jehovah reveals how Jacob or Israel has been counted a woefully transgressor (non elect) by Jehovah, even since a moment before his ear gets formed in the womb. Yet somehow Jehovah chooses him afterward. It proves that one’s evil fate can change.
    Isa 48
    1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness. 8 Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.

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