Minnesota: Muslima “dispels myths” about treatment of women in Islam, a post from JihadWatch.Org with comments

A few things left out of this whitewashed presentation, which is typical of such presentations all over the country:

“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34

Nowhere does the Qur’an teach that a woman can beat a man under any circumstances.

The Qur’an likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “Your women are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth as you will” (2:223).

It declares that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man: “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as you choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” (2:282).

It allows men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls also: “If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, then only one, or one that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” (4:3).

It rules that a son’s inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: “Allah directs you as regards your children’s inheritance: to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” (4:11).

It allows for marriage to pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures “shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated” (65:4).

Islamic law stipulates that a man’s prayer is annulled if a dog or a woman passes in front of him as he is praying. “Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, ‘You have made us (i.e. women) dogs.’ I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.” (Sahih Bukhari 1.9.490)

Another hadith depicts Muhammad saying that the majority of the inhabitants of hell are women:

“I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.” Sahih Bukhari 3241; Sahih Muslim 2737)

When asked about this, he explained:

“I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” (Sahih Bukhari 1052)

And in another hadith:

The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) went out to the musalla (prayer place) on the day of Eid al-Adha or Eid al-Fitr. He passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?’ He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’” (Sahih Bukhari 304)

hanadi-chehabbedine

“Muslim speaker demystifies the role of women in Islam,” Forest Lake Area Lowdown, November 26, 2016:

STILLWATER — In light of the racial, religious and political tension that has taken the country by storm in the last few months, many Stillwater locals were ready to come together at the Stillwater Public Library last week to learn about one of the most touchy national topics — Islam, and the role women play within its religious doctrine.

The presentation, titled “Getting to Know the Role of Muslim Women Better,” was hosted by the St. Croix chapter of the American Association of University Women or AAUW (whose mission is to create equity for women and girls through advocacy, education, philanthropy and research) in partnership with the Stillwater Public Library. The event attracted a sizable audience, whose members were eager to learn about Islam and asked many questions throughout the evening presentation.

The guest speaker was Hanadi Chehabbedine from the Islamic Resource Group in Minneapolis. Originally from Lebanon, Chehabbedine is now an American citizen and resident of Eden Prairie, where she has been involved in local activism, reaching out to educate others about Islam.

The number one thing to understand, Chehabbedine said, is that religion and culture are two very different things. Not every culture that identifies as Islamic follows the Qur’an or the Hadith (the sayings of the Prophet) in quite the same way. As a Lebanese Muslim, Chehabbedine grew up with many more rights than her sisters in Saudi Arabia, where even non-Muslim women are forced to wear a veil or scarf, or Afghanistan, where many female children are denied education.

During her presentation at the Stillwater library, she dispelled many of the myths that Americans have about Islam, and especially the myth that Islamic women live in oppression. She shared passages from the Qur’an that highlight the role of women. Many people don’t realize, she said, that Muslim women keep their maiden names when they are married, and that education is a basic right for all children, male and female. Islam recognizes the right of women to own property (in fact, the first wife of the Prophet Muhammad was a businesswoman, and he was one of her employees). But Muslim women don’t have to work if they don’t want to — they are automatically assured financial security throughout their life.

“I’m 40 years old, and I never paid a bill,” Chehabbedine said. “How does that work? Basically, the inheritance law that governs the system of Islam allows financial security throughout the life of a woman, specifically by giving the man double the amount of money by inheritance.”

Male children inherit twice as much money from their parents, but all expenses for females are covered by the closest males in their lives. However, any money that she makes on her own belongs completely to her, and she is able to spend it as she wishes.

“If a woman wants to be responsible for her own expenses she can; it’s not like she can’t,” Chehabbedine said. “But if she doesn’t want to, she really doesn’t have to.”

Marriages are based on mutual love and understanding. Many Americans believe that Islam promotes polygamy, which is allowed by Islam, but Chehabbedine said that Islam’s teachings on marriage serve to limit a man to four wives, rather than the limitless amount he could theoretically have outside of sharia. (The oft-repeated phrase “sharia law,” Chehabbedine explained, is redundant, as “sharia” is a rough Arabic translation for “law.”)

Monogamy is the norm;Chehabbedine couldn’t think of anyone she knew of who was in a polygamous marriage, though she explained it sometimes happens when a couple is unable to conceive a child. The wife always has input in this decision. However, polyandry — a woman being married to multiple men — is prohibited, mostly because of lineage and inheritance rights.

The western world sometimes hears of forced marriages in Islam, but Chehabbedine said that consent is a requirement of marriage in Islam, and forced marriage is not an Islamic practice, but a cultural one.

Islam is especially reverent of mothers — in one story about the Prophet, a follower asks who among the people is most worthy of his companionship. When the Prophet says, “Your mother,” the man asks who is next. The Prophet repeats that his mother is most worthy two more times before finally saying “Your father.” Islam reveres many female figures, including Mary, mother of Jesus; Asiya, the wife of Pharaoh who rescued baby Moses; Khadijah, the first wife of the Prophet; and Fatima, the daughter of the Prophet.

One of the foremost topics of the presentation was the headwear worn by many Muslim women: the headscarf or hijab. This symbolic garment is not required for Muslim women, but many choose to wear it as a sign of their modesty and faith.

“It’s a choice, and it’s not something that can be forced,” Chehabbedine said. “The main concept behind it is kind of moving away from the sexuality of a woman, and bringing about her femininity so that when she is talking, you’re actually listening. Basically, eliminating the bodily distraction.” …

 Comments
  1. nanina says

    November 27, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    If oppression of women in Islam is a myth, why do they need to constantly bring it up? You’d think people would realize by now that they’re wrong in thinking Muslim women are oppressed?

  2. judith grayson says

    November 27, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    this is stupid shit and we should not even give it a platform. it’s disgusting and reprehensible. I don’t even feel sorry for these women as they seem to like it. the feminists here must like it, too. they never chat it up as an issue. until this all goes away and vanishes into the mists of time we’re stuck with hearing it and pretending not to notice. world war lll is on the horizon. winning it would solve all the problems.

  3. Stephanie says

    November 27, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    … The western world sometimes hears of forced marriages in Islam, but Chehabbedine said that consent(!!) is a requirement of marriage in Islam

    The ‘best example’ quran.com/33/21 muh. married the 6-year-old(!) Aisha,
    sex with 8 (9 lunar years)

    A six-year young kid🙂 doesn’t know🚩 what the word “marriage” means ⛔️❌

    Pedophile muh., ‘… Her silence (indicates(!!) her permiSSion)’
    http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/062-sbt.php#007.062.067

    http://schnellmann.org/the-child-bride-of-muhammad.html#silent-children

    • PRCS says

      November 27, 2016 at 5:17 pm

      “A six-year young kid🙂 doesn’t know🚩 what the word “marriage” means ⛔️❌”

      Nor do they have the mental maturity to consent.

  4. Shmooviyet says

    November 27, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    “I’m forty years old and I never paid a bill.”

    Now THERE’S something to boast about.
    Slaves can make the same claim.

  5. Michael Copeland says

    November 27, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    The hijab: “It’s a choice, and it’s not something that can be forced,”
    Aqsa Parvez was strangled with the hijab she did NOT WANT to wear.
    The happened in Canada.
    Did anyone present remember ?

  6. somehistory says

    November 27, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    So the next time a normal human sees a moslim, bent over for satan, a woman walking a dog can pass by in front of his dirty carpet and it will annul all of his preying on normal people to his fake god and evil idol, satan represented by islam.

    And notice this woman’s eyes: dead as a doornail, just like those of the males who bow to satan.

  7. abad says

    November 27, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    ““I’m 40 years old, and I never paid a bill,” Chehabbedine said. “How does that work? Basically, the inheritance law that governs the system of Islam allows financial security throughout the life of a woman, specifically by giving the man double the amount of money by inheritance.””

    “If a woman wants to be responsible for her own expenses she can; it’s not like she can’t,” Chehabbedine said. “But if she doesn’t want to, she really doesn’t have to.”

    In short, Muslims females are STILL commanded by the Quran and Hadith to be dependent upon Muslim males. And God forbid Muslim women deal with existential anxiety. Cannot have Muslim women taking control of their own lives doncha know since the Quran and Hadith strictly FORBIDS its followers from doing so.

    Checkmate, Chehabbedine, you lose.

  8. somehistory says

    November 27, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    And that thing about women keeping their names….that benefits the filthy as he can divorce her and marry another and doesn’t have to worry about alimony. After-all, how can she even prove she was married so as to be continually supported?
    And any woman who is not allowed to drive or go out without a male relative, is not going to find employment very easy to come by, so where will she get any extra dough to spend as she wishes/

    All a bunch of lies, tied up in her scarf as opposed to a nice bow.

  9. davej says

    November 27, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    Stockholm syndrome. Muslimas are programmed to not see their devaluation by men and just be OK with it. Under Islam women are primarily property, or, if enslaved, “booty”.

    So 4 wives is not polygamy, really?

    BTW, is that a hijab or a bandage?

  10. Jack says

    November 27, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    This is another form of Jihad and it’s rampant today in America. Here are some examples of how Muslims can deal with non-Muslims and it’s not a sin according their sick and dangerous Fascist Ideology. 1. Darura: Deceit through necessity. 2. Kitman: Deceit by omission. 3. Muruna: Deceit by temporary suspension of Sharia Law. 4. Tawriya: Deceit by ambiguity. 5. Taqiyya. Deceit for the purpose of spreading Islam. 6. Taysin: Deceit through facilitation. So who with a sane mind would believe anything these Vermin from hell would tell him or her.

  11. Angemon says

    November 27, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    Whenever I go to watch a presentation about islam by a muslim, I make sure to take breath-mints and a packet or twenty of ketchup and mustard because I know I’m going to be fed a lot of bulls***. That this bulls*** had the support of an organization whose goal is to create equity for women and girls makes the whole thing even more appalling.

  12. PRCS says

    November 27, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    Unless the author elected to not cite them, I did not note a single specific hadith or Qur’an passage citation by the speaker to support her ‘Islam is so wonderful’ fantasy.

    But, I DID note something that SHOULD be used the next time, and every time an employer has to defend–particularly in court–against the bogus claim that Muslim women MUST wear hijab at work.

    “This symbolic garment is not required for Muslim women, but many choose to wear it as a sign of their modesty and faith.”

    It’s a choice, and it’s not something that can be forced,” Chehabbedine said.

    Got it, CAIR “reps”?

    She’s a Muslim and she clearly believes it’s not required.

  13. PRCS says

    November 27, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    ” It was good to see people come together and express how much in solidarity they are with the Muslim community”

    Wow, that’s wonderful.

    But what do they know about Islam–the “Muslim community’s” complete way of life?

    Did any of those people even bother to do a little research on the subject before attending that shindig?

    Did any of them ask informed, embarrassing questions?

    Do they ever?

    Or do they always just nod their heads in affirmation of the speaker’s propaganda?

  14. john w says

    November 27, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    Islam is clearly an evil false religion that treats its women less than dogs. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. What faith kills their daughter for marrying another faith, or beats their wife to death for not cooking right, or rapes women and then charges them for adultery. Come on. The way they treat women and kids and other faiths, also the way they live, the way they act in foreign countries, it all points to a false religion of Satan. No way it even is a real faith, its more of a cult. I feel bad for those women that want out of it. For those who support it, they get what they deserve.

  15. ele says

    November 27, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    “She shared passages from the Qur’an that highlight the role of women.” Did she quote any? And then you have taqiyya.

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3 Responses to Minnesota: Muslima “dispels myths” about treatment of women in Islam, a post from JihadWatch.Org with comments

  1. θ says:

    As far as I know actually the Christian apologists behind the question concerning the women in Islam don’t expect for intellectual argument. They just throw one biased question that will be answered by about ten responses by intellectual Moslems, and then they won’t argue again, just back down or concede. They aren’t up for educating themselves with the truth of Islam. They just have no interest in Islam. That’s the pattern. That’s how they handle it.

  2. θ says:

    Reconsidering Touching or not touching.
    Abi Dawud Book 11, Hadith 2044
    Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: A man came to the Prophet, and said: My wife does not prevent the hand of a man who touches her. He said: Divorce her. He then said: I am afraid my inner self may covet her. He said: Then enjoy her.

    The hand of slave.
    Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 605
    Anas bin Malik reported: A slave-girl of Al-Madinah would take hold of the hand of the Prophet and take him wherever she desired.

    Before the time of Hudaybiya (when women can still return to Makkah), early Moslem women used to not withdraw their hands from Prophet.
    Bukhari, Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 415
    Narrated Um Atiya: We took the oath of allegiance to Allah’s Messenger and he recited to us: ‘They will not associate anything in worship with Allah,’ and forbade us to bewail the dead. Thereupon a lady withdrew her hand (refrained from taking the oath of allegiance), and said, “But such-and-such lady lamented over one of my relatives, so I must reward (do the same over the dead relatives of) hers.” The Prophet did not object to that, so she went (there) and returned to the Prophet so he accepted her pledge of allegiance.

    Touched by woman of two sisters (Umm Hiram and Umm Sulaim) without reason of sexual desire.
    Al-Adab Al-Mufrad Book 41, Hadith 952
    Anas ibn Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit Umm Hiram, the daughter of Milhan who was married to ‘Ubada ibn as-Samit, and she would give him food and delouse his head. Then he slept and woke up laughing.”

    Seizing the hand of girl.
    Muslim Book 23, Hadith 5004
    Hudhaifa reported: When we attended a dinner along with the Messenger of Allah we did not lay our hands on the food until Allah’s Messenger had laid his hand and commenced eating (the food). Once we went with him to a dinner when a girl came rushingly as it someone had been pursuing her. She was about to lay her hand on the food, when Allah’s Messenger caught her hand. Then a desert Arab came there (rushingly) as if someone had been pursuing him. He (the Holy Prophet) caught his hand; and then Allah’s Messenger said: Satan considers that food lawful on which Allah’s name is not mentioned. He had brought this girl so that the food might be made lawful for him and I caught her hand. And he had brought a desert Arab so that (the food) might be lawful for him. So I caught his hand. By Him, in Whose hand is my life, it was (Satan’s) hand that was in my hand along with her hand.

    Abi Dawud Book 27, Hadith 3757
    When we were at food with the Messenger of Allah none of us put in his hand till the Messenger of Allah put his hand first. Once we were at food with him. A nomad Arab came in as though he were being pushed, and he was about to put his hand in food when the Messenger of Allah seized him by the hand. Then a girl came in as though she were being pushed, and she was about to put her hand in the food when the Messenger of Allah seized her by the hand, and he said: The devil considers the food when Allah’s name is not mentioned over it, and he brought his nomad Arab that it might be lawful by means of him, so I seized his hand: then he brought this girl that it might be lawful by means of her, so I seized her hand. By Him in Whose hand my soul is, His hand is in my hand along with their hands.

  3. θ says:

    Riyad as-Salihin, Book 1, Hadith 279
    Iyas bin ‘Abdullah reported: Messenger of Allah said, Do not beat Allah’s bondwomen. When ‘Umar came to Messenger of Allah and complained saying: The women have become very daring towards their husbands, He gave permission to beat them. Then many women went to the family of the Messenger of Allah (wives) complaining of their husbands, and he (the Prophet) said, Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining of their husbands. Those who do so, that is, those who take to beating their wives, are not the best among you.

    Abi Dawud, Book 11, Hadith 2141
    Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn Abu Dhubab reported the Messenger of Allah as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Messenger of Allah and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Messenger of Allah complaining against their husbands. So the Messenger of Allah said: Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you.
    They = husbands who beat the women.

    Equal retaliation is not given but a financial damage is imposed on a beater of wife:
    Muwatta, Book 43, Hadith 15
    Yahya said that Malik said, said, “When a man intentionally goes to his wife and gouges out her eye or breaks her hand or cuts off her finger or such like, and does it intentionally, retaliation is inflicted on him. As for a man who strikes his wife with a rope or a whip and hits what he did not mean to hit or does what he did not intend to do, he pays blood-money for what he has struck according to this principle, and retaliation is not inflicted on him.”

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