The fall of Adam

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  1. Sad. Adam is now embarrased by his “Deen” . It is one of the clear command of the Qur’an, he does not seem to be aware of the stringency of applying this command by early muslims.

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  2. Maybe it’s a misinterpretation of the text, one of many seemingly coming to light in the 21st century.


  3. It seems creating and supporting terrorism for the purpose of regime change and imperialism is not enough they have to find these servile clowns who happily mix it up with religion and further demonise the people whose countries are being destroyed.


  4. Interestingly the verse after the verse on penalty of theft is about those who wage war against God and His Prophet.

    And the penalties for those people include options of severe punishment of death by crucifixion with alternate hand and feet cut but also the punishment of banishment which is less than the punishment of having a hand cut off, despite waging war on God and His Prophet being far worse than theft.

    Combining this with the principle that the punishment should be proportionate to the crime (a principle that the Qur’an endorses from it’s command to not hurt anyone beyond the hurt they inflicted and even better to forgive), raises the point that we need to reflect which is if a punishment for waging war against God and His Prophet can be less than cutting off a hand, then is not theft less bad, and thus does not always require cutting off the hand?


  5. He must have read the torah and got some sense in to his head.


  6. For adultery yes, apostasy no.


  7. physical adultery, not just lust of the eyes.


  8. Paul Williams and Eric agree with Isis- the truth revealed!!!


    • ISIS is a terrorist organisation.

      It’s like saying the ‘USA agreed with Nazi Germany’ in the 1930s just because they had some penal policies in common.

      Paulus, do you agree with Jesus’ teaching that all of the Jewish Law is to be followed and obeyed – including the commandments to execute adulterers and apostates (see Matt 23)? Or are you one of those Christians who subscribe to a watered-down, liberal, secularized version of the faith?


    • Well, instead of begging the question, lay your exegesis on the table and see if it stands under scrutiny. I’m not going to agree with fallacious options that are incorrect.

      And let’s hope you don’t chop off my hand in the process…


    • “They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, ”

      Interestingly, what Jesus says here about the Pharisees is exactly what you said formally about Muhammad and Islam. No wonder this is one of your favourite texts to cite 😀


    • Matthew 23

      Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 ‘The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; 3 therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it; but do not do as they do, for they do not practise what they teach.


      ‘Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. It is these you ought to have practised without neglecting the others.


  9. You are a slower than usual today Paulus. Reread my comment.


  10. Jesus describes the apostate in the parable of the sower. Universal compliance with the gospel is not the will of God. The words of Jesus take take precedence over anything that the Pharisees may, or may not, have taught.

    Mark 4 The Parable of the Sower Explained

    (Matthew 13:18-23)

    13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? 14The sower soweth the word. 15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; 17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word’s sake, immediately they are offended. 18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, 19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. 20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

    It is not the will of God that every seed bear fruit. Spiritual growth or death is a natural process over which the law has no power, just as in nature.


  11. In the new form of the kingdom of God the wheat and the tares grow together in the same soil or territory next to each other. Not as in the old national form of the kingdom where non-believers were excluded and the land had to be kept pure from apostasy.

    The Parable of the Weeds

    (Ezekiel 17:1-10)

    24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    Why do you elevate what is to you the unknown teaching of the Pharisees above the clear teaching of Jesus, who you claim in the video to love and respect?


  12. The Parable of the Net

    (Matthew 4:18-22; Mark 1:16-20; Luke 5:1-11; John 1:35-42)

    47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. 52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

    It is clearly the will of God that the bad fish will always exist and thrive in the sea of the world. They won’t be taken out by force until the end of the world. Even the bad fish are meant to live and thrive in the sea. This is natural.

    Ergo the punishment of apostasy is abrogated in the new form of the kingdom of God.

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2 Responses to The fall of Adam

  1. θ says:

    Against the thieves, Qur’an allows the highest penalty of slicing-to-bleed the hand, Aydi (not finger, Arabic: Banan), with the emphasis and limit on slicing on purpose to burst or bleed, Qada’ (not cutting apart, Fariq) by using a kitchen knife, Sakina (not by sword, Arabic: Shayf) which is used to peel the vegetables or fruits, as per Q.12, v.31.

  2. θ says:

    Against the thieves, Qur’an allows the highest penalty of slicing-to-bleed the hand, Aydi (not finger, Arabic: Banan), with the emphasis and limit at slicing on purpose to burst the veins or bleed, Qata’ (not cutting apart, Fariq) by using a kitchen knife, Sakina (not by sword, Arabic: Shayf) which is used to peel the vegetables or fruits, as per Q.12, v.31.
    After all in Q.5, v.33 there’s no mention of cutting apart the fingers.
    Certain Arabs like so much to change the Arabic words from a hand to fingers, a knife to sword, a slicing to complete cutting apart, et cetera on a hidden intention to associate a thief with the infidel combatants in warfare in Q.8, v.12 (where Allah commands angels to strike the fingers of the combatants).

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