The angels declare that Jehovah the Lord God will be born on earth

The Shepherds and Angels

Luke 2 v 8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. 12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. 13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

There is only one in the bible who is both Lord and Saviour and that is Jehovah, the Lord God who made heaven and earth.

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9 Responses to The angels declare that Jehovah the Lord God will be born on earth

  1. θ says:

    In the NT Bible Jehovah does not use both titles Lord and Saviour in one for Himself. Apparently there’s a ptatern in the NT that the title “Lord” is just limited for local ruler lower than God. Lord is local, limited and lower. God is global, universal and high. That’s why in Mk 12:29 the shema is initiated with a local reference: Hear O Israel.
    1Tim 1:1
    Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

  2. θ says:

    In other words, Jesus is a limited saviour whereas Jehovah is absolute Saviour. When referncing the role of saviour, Jehovah never uses the title Lord but rather God. By using the title God alongside Saviour, Jehovah infers that the salvation He shall give is universal one, whereas Jesus just offers a local or limited one.
    Similar to Islamic theology, the same Purgatory is hinted in Mt 25:41 that the Hell is a place for the sinful angels and demons, not for sinful men.
    1Tim 2
    3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
    1Tim 4:10
    For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Mt 25:41
    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

  3. madmanna says:

    “Apparently there’s a ptatern in the NT that the title “Lord” is just limited for local ruler lower than God.”

    No there is only one Lord who is God. Both Jesus Christ or his Father can be referred to as such:

    Acts 4 v 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

    You are wrong.

  4. θ says:

    “madmanna says: No there is only one Lord who is God. Both Jesus Christ or his Father can be referred to as such: Acts 4 v 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. You are wrong.”

    Acts 4:26 is a verbatim citation of the Old Testament, that is Psalm 2:2 for the local Jews only, not a new citation of the NT Bible for both Jews and Gentiles.
    Psalm 2:2
    The kings of the earth take their stand And the rulers take counsel together Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,

  5. madmanna says:

    23 And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them. 24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

    25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?

    26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

    27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. 2 9And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, 30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus. 31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

    The text plainly speaks for itself to prove that the Lord is the Father. The Lord is always God in the NT.

  6. madmanna says:

    The Lord has a child called Jesus. This is the begotten Son of Psalm 2.

  7. madmanna says:

    “Acts 4:26 is a verbatim citation of the Old Testament, that is Psalm 2:2 for the local Jews only, not a new citation of the NT Bible for both Jews and Gentiles.
    Psalm 2:2”

    The bible is for all men universally.

  8. Anonymous says:

    “madmanna says: The bible is for all men universally.”

    Do you just say that jokingly or what? Is the Tanach for Non-Jews? Would Christians kill, enslave, persecute, forcefully convert, and wage endless holy war on Non-Jews, their women and their innocent infants as commanded in the Tanach?
    As long as the law remains, the grace is in vain.
    Gal 3:17
    And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
    Gal 5:4
    Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

  9. θ says:

    “madmanna says: The text plainly speaks for itself to prove that the Lord is the Father. The Lord is always God in the NT.”

    (i) Since Jehovah chose temporarily to be the “local God” for Jews only during the time of the Tanach, Jehovah was the “Lord” yet.
    (ii) Gentile world doesn’t know of a local tradition of Jewish anointment.
    (iii) If the Lord in Psalm 2:2 were universal God of the earthy kings, why would those kings and rulers gather and stand to fight against a local Lord and his anointed one? Earthy kings and rulers were supposed to worship him if they perceive Jehovah is also their God, right?
    (iv) Choosing a local nation means taking the role as a local Lordship instead of the universal Godhood.

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