Is Hezekiah the fulfilment of Isaiah 9 v 6 ? Many Jews seem to think so but Erasmus has the last word

  1. So many flaws in trying to conflate or superimpose Jesus in the old testemnet. Since when was God the “Prince” of anything? God is the creator and owner of it all, the “King” for want of a better word.

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  2. “Yulad” is exactly the same as the Arabic pronunciation. Given birth to or Born depending on tense.

    https://quran.com/112

    Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem (In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
    )

    Qul Huw-Allahu Ahad (Say: He is Allah, the One!)
    Allah-us-Samad (Allah, the eternally Besought of all!)
    Lam yalid wl lam yulad (He begetteth not nor was begotten.)
    Wa lam yakul lahu kufuwan ahad (And there is none comparable unto Him.)

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  3. This verse is twisted a lot and misrepresented. The exact word used in Isaiah 9:6 El Gibor is used in Ezekiel 33:21 in plural, yet when it comes to Isaiah 9:6 Trinitarians translate as “Mighty God”, but when it comes to Ezekiel 33:21 they deceptively translate it as “The Strong among the mighty”

    “The strong (El) among the mighty (gibor) shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.” – Ezekiel 32:21

    Here is a thorough examination of the verse Isaiah 9:6 and many Christian scholars disagree with the trinitarian translation,

    https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/06/25/isaiah-96-messiah-god/

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    • Sorry I meant Ezekiel 32:21

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    • Thank your for your efforts. Very useful. You know…watching the video in the opening post it dawned on me, even more, the lengths these people go to in order to misguide people and hide the bare naked fallacies they believe. There is no doubt they know what they are doing and can’t reasonably be seen as an innocent mistake. This begs the question are these the very people all the prophets through God warned us about? Surely this is the work of the devil??

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    • You’re welcome bro. Yes, I believe these are the people who change the scripture with their tongues and hands and mislead Billions of people by their lies. They’re indeed doing the work of the devil, no doubt!

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  4. Can’t be Jesus of the NT. The “Prince of Peace” is contrary to Matt. 10:34 which says Jesus came to bring a sword, not peace.

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    • Matthew 10:34 does not contradict Jesus in His first coming.

      Matthew 10:34, quoting from Micah 7:5-6 :
      “That same passage is quoted in the [Jewish] Mishna with reference to family conflicts that will come with the advent of the Messianic age.” (Michael Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, volume 1, page 116)

      “Although the Messiah’s main purpose two thousand years ago was not to establish peace on the earth . . . He is rightly called the Prince of Peace . . .’
      because
      “First, He offers peace to all who will embrace Him and turn from sin [Matthew 11:28-30]; second He makes peace between hostile sinners and a holy God [Romans 5:1; John 14:27]; and third, He brings peace to his people who follow Him.” [Ephesians 2:11-22; John 14:27; Colossians 3:15; Philippians 4:6-7] (Michael Brown, ibid, page 78; I added the Scripture references)

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  5. El Gibor as singular can only refer to Jehovah the Mighty God.

    Plural gods can also be humans who have great power or knowledge.

    For example:

    John 10:35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came …
    … If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken— …
    //biblehub.com/john/10-35.htm – 16k

    God Presides in the Great Assembly

    1{A Psalm of Asaph.} God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

    2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

    Even God himself calls the judges of his people gods because they execute his will through the law of Moses.

    So the translation of Ezekiel is a good one. There will never be better translators than those who translated the KJV.

    Thus Hezekiah cannot be the fulfilment. Especially of verse 7. Isaiah prophecied to Hezekiah personally that Jerusalem and the temple would be destroyed.

    Skobac’s bias and deceptiveness border on madness if you ask me.

    2 Kings 20:

    16And Isaiah said unto Hezekiah, Hear the word of the LORD. 17Behold, the days come, that all that is in thine house, and that which thy fathers have laid up in store unto this day, shall be carried into Babylon: nothing shall be left, saith the LORD. 18And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon. 19Then said Hezekiah unto Isaiah, Good is the word of the LORD which thou hast spoken. And he said, Is it not good, if peace and truth be in my days?

    So much for Hezekiah being the fulfilment of verse 7:

    7Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

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3 Responses to Is Hezekiah the fulfilment of Isaiah 9 v 6 ? Many Jews seem to think so but Erasmus has the last word

  1. θ says:

    Contextual argument.
    The “Prince” of Isaiah 9:6-7 is Eliakim who is a governor under the king Hezekiah. From the time of Hezekiah henceforth, the key of Judah is given by Jehovah upon the shoulder of Eliakim as governor of the palace of Hezekiah. Twice, the specific Hebrew word for government or governor “Misrah” is used by Isaiah, instead of the word kingdom “Malku”.
    Isaiah 22
    20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.23 And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father’s house.24 And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father’s house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons.25 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.

    Eliakim acts as governor under the king Hezekiah. Hezekiah himself happens to be the 24th ancestor of Jesus in Gospel of Matthew. The time of both Eliakim and Hezekiah is the beginning of new era of Jewish kingdom because:
    (i) Hezekiah is the first Judah king who doesn’t see a rival Israel kingdom anymore.
    (ii) Hezekiah is the first role model of the post-Israel era for the righteous Judah king.
    (iii) Hezekiah is the first Judah king of the post-Israel era who dies in peace.

    Argument of contents.
    For the sake of argument, no one of Christians would seriously believe that Jesus is lower than Melchisedek. A prince of peace can’t be higher than King of peace.
    Heb 7:2
    To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

    No one of Christians would seriously believe that Jesus fooled or deceived the High priest by lying his kingdom is not on the earth.
    Jn 18:36
    Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Standardised argument of the Unitarians on Isaiah 9:6 against the Trinitarian biases is Lk 1:32-35, that the Mighty God (El, the Highest One) is not his son who can’t be more greater than him.
    Father of peace is not a son of peace.
    Lk 1:32
    He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    Both Isaiah and Luke deal with the giving of specific name. Isaiah says “Mighty God”, whereas Luke says “the Son of the Most Highest” and “the Son of God”. Hence, Jesus isn’t one whom Isaiah referred to.

    Notice that the Lukan text says that Jesus *shall* be the Highest or God. Therefore, Luke’s statement upon “Jesus *shall* be called Son” moreover proves that he wasn’t a Son prior to that moment, along with a parallelism of Isaiah’s claim how the Messiah *shall* be called “Mighty God” proves that he wasn’t a divine one prior to the time he was actually called by. Hence, there are two conclusions there: Jesus was not eternal Son, and Messiah is not eternally divine.

    Additionally, to be called by two divine epithets “El” and “Gibbor” is not synonymous with Jehovah in the Tanach, as it’s used in plural for the men of valor in Ezekiel 33:21, as well as the name of “Gabri-el” the angel.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Correction: Notice that the Lukan text says that Jesus *shall* be the Son of the Highest, not God himself or father.

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