A few conundrums in the Islamic view of sin

There are a few conundrums in the islamic view of sin as I see it.

They keep saying that Allah forgives sins without punishment but if the sin is a crime then sharia punishes with a fine or a flogging or stoning or mutilating someone?

So there is no forgiveness if the sin is a crime.

Secondly if some human act is not a crime and there is no punishment by Allah then why bother calling it a sin in the first place? It may not be the best behaviour but it is not a sin because there is no punishment. If a fly lands on your arm is the fly committing a sin? It might be a slight annoyance but is it a sin? It’s the same thing with Allah. If some human behaviour causes Allah some slight discomfort like a fly flying around your food in a restaurant is the forgiveness or the sin a big deal? Neither is a big deal is it? If a behaviour is not punished then it is acceptable even if it might be slightly annoying but it doesn’t cause Allah any pain such that he has to punish it. It is just an acceptable imperfection but why call it a sin in that case?

God is not like this in the bible. In the bible there are no small sins. All sins are mortal sins with eternal death as the punishment. Eve took the forbidden fruit. Every sin is a specific disobeying of a commandment to love God with all and our neighbour as ourself . The bar seems to be set a lot lower in Islam so the offence is a lot smaller. As long as a Muslim worships, pays his taxes and keeps his family under control he has done his duty. The biblical God demands a lot more, namely perfection.

It appears to be that there are differences between the concept of sin in the bible and in Islam. These should be born in mind when we are talking about which God is more merciful and forgiving.

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3 Responses to A few conundrums in the Islamic view of sin

  1. θ says:

    Moslems also put the belief on a perfection. Islam teaches that a man can be perfect without having to beguile the world with a cheap unfair trick of incarnation by divine nature. Islamic Jesus is of the created Word, sinless, perfect, and resisting all earthy temptation, he was born and shall die peacefully. Hence, had the Original Sin existed, Islamic Jesus wouldn’t also have got affected by it since he was born of the virgin conception.

    More importantly, Islamic idea of perfection is rational, it does’t include a suicide or human sacrifice. In Christianity, human sacrifice is the highest epitome of all possible perfection of a humanbeing. Irrational equating of evilness with goodness is somehow counted as a perfection for Christians.
    Christianity ethics is based on a perverted definition on perfection.

    Christian theology itself is based on a lie on Jesus’ perfection. Most dishonest Christians tend to use a hypocritical mentality when arguing about a shameless absence of Jesus’ perfection on the story of leaving Lasarus to die in his sickness.
    Worse they argue by using a worse excuse on Lasarus’ abandonment to death: Make sin more so that the grace abound.
    Jesus deliberately commits a sin of not visiting a sick fellow in order to let him die, so that then he may resurrect him.

  2. θ says:

    Theodicy and perfection of Jesus.
    Story of the abandonment of Lasarus is not different much from the story of killings of children in the Infancy Gospel.
    Jn 11
    32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?

    The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, Greek Text A.
    IV. And after certain days, as Jesus passed through the midst of the city, a certain child cast a stone at him and smote his shoulder. And Jesus said unto him: Thou shalt not finish thy course. And straightway he also fell down and died. And they that were there were amazed, saying: From whence is this child, that every word which he speaketh becometh a perfect work? But they also departed and accused Joseph, saying: Thou wilt not be able to dwell with us in this city: but if thou wilt, teach thy child to bless and not to curse: for verily he slayeth our children: and every thing that he saith becometh a perfect work.
    VIII. And after these things one day Jesus was playing with other boys upon the top of an house of two stories. And one child was pushed down by another and thrown down to the ground and died. And the boys which were playing with him, when they saw it, fled, and Jesus was left alone standing upon the roof whence the boy was thrown down. And when the parents of the boy that was dead heard of it they ran weeping, and when they found the boy lying dead upon the earth and Jesus standing alone, they supposed that the boy had been thrown down by him, and they looked upon him and reviled him. But Jesus, seeing that, leaped down straightway from the upper story and stood at the head of him that was dead and saith to him: Zeno, did I cast thee down? Arise and tell. For so was the boy called. And with the word the boy rose up and worshipped Jesus and said: Lord, thou didst not cast me down, but when I was dead thou didst make me alive.

  3. θ says:

    Correction.
    Theodicy and imperfection of Jesus in John’s Gospel and Infancy Gospel.
    Story of the abandonment of Lasarus to die in sickness is not different much from the story of killings of some children in the Infancy Gospel.
    Jn 11
    32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?

    The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, Greek Text A.
    IV. And after certain days, as Jesus passed through the midst of the city, a certain child cast a stone at him and smote his shoulder. And Jesus said unto him: Thou shalt not finish thy course. And straightway he also fell down and died. And they that were there were amazed, saying: From whence is this child, that every word which he speaketh becometh a perfect work? But they also departed and accused Joseph, saying: Thou wilt not be able to dwell with us in this city: but if thou wilt, teach thy child to bless and not to curse: for verily he slayeth our children: and every thing that he saith becometh a perfect work.
    VIII. And after these things one day Jesus was playing with other boys upon the top of an house of two stories. And one child was pushed down by another and thrown down to the ground and died. And the boys which were playing with him, when they saw it, fled, and Jesus was left alone standing upon the roof whence the boy was thrown down. And when the parents of the boy that was dead heard of it they ran weeping, and when they found the boy lying dead upon the earth and Jesus standing alone, they supposed that the boy had been thrown down by him, and they looked upon him and reviled him. But Jesus, seeing that, leaped down straightway from the upper story and stood at the head of him that was dead and saith to him: Zeno, did I cast thee down? Arise and tell. For so was the boy called. And with the word the boy rose up and worshipped Jesus and said: Lord, thou didst not cast me down, but when I was dead thou didst make me alive.

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