Russia: Muslim leader defends FGM after it’s discovered in Dagestan, a post from JihadWatch.org, with comments

Female genital mutilation “is a Central African problem. Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It’s a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It’s a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue.” — Reza Aslan

Oops. Wrong again, Reza, and not just about Eritrea and Ethiopia being in Central Africa.

FGM is widely reputed to be a “cultural” practice, but actually it is sanctioned by Islamic law: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64

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“Russian Muslim official defends female circumcision after researchers discover its practice in Dagestan,” Govorit Moskva, August 15, 2016:

Earlier today, Ismail Berdiev, the chairman of the North Caucasus Muslim Coordinating Center, told the radio station Govorit Moskva that female circumcision is a healthy, “purely Dagestani custom.”

“As far as I know,” Berdiev explained on air, “it’s done to calm a woman’s zeal somewhat. There’s absolutely no health problem here.”

Berdiev was responding to a new report by the organization “Legal Initiative,” which found that female circumcision is practiced in the certain areas of Dagestan, one of Russia’s predominantly Muslim republics in the North Caucasus. Legal Initiative found cases in remote villages where girls under the age of three (and sometimes as old as 11) were circumcised.

The ritual—removing all or part of the clitoris and sometimes the labia—is carried out of reduce sexual sensitivity, in order to “prepare” women for their role as wife in a patriarchal family. The surgery is conducted at home by a religious figure….

 COMMENTS
  1. Linde Barrera says

    August 15, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    Bernie is an idiot when he says “FGM reduces a woman’s zeal.” It actually makes her vagina an open hole, or cavity, with no feelings of sexual arousal. If women were designed and created like this by God (I believe God or a higher, superior power created mankind) why does the limited Muslim mind want to remove it? 😈

      • mortimer says

        August 16, 2016 at 12:38 pm

        It’s about women’s chastity and male ‘honor’. If she has no feeling ‘down there’, she is supposed to be safe from straying…like hamstringing cattle to stop them from roaming.

        • NOTOISLAM says

          August 16, 2016 at 4:14 pm

          There is WRONG —and —-RIGHT —-
          fgm IS WRONG!
          Time to turn the tables and castrate the men —and then kill them!

      • maghan says

        August 16, 2016 at 7:49 pm

        Ninety seven(97) percent of Egyptian women have experienced FGM. It is practiced too in Saudi Arabia(clandestinely), Turkey, Iran, Iraq and other parts of West Asia.

    • kazbah says

      August 16, 2016 at 1:34 pm

      Importantly, this practice has terrible medical implications when giving birth…Britain alone has 4 medical centers which are designed to treat pregnant women who have had an FGM..that’s Britain can you imagine the implications in other countries? I learned this from Ann Marie Waters..A british activist against the ideology of Islam.

    • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

      August 16, 2016 at 1:09 am

      Donning my nurse’s cap for the moment I would like to tell all here the sequellae of FGM:

      The clitoris is carved off with an unsterilized knife. Because the clitoris is located so close to the urinary meatus (opening), that area too is affected.

      The mutilated area is ‘sewn up’ with over-large dirty needles (not much smaller than knitting needles). Sterility is of course not observed. A crude hole is ‘fashioned’, smaller than the normal vaginal/meatal opening; only big enough to exit menstrual blood and urine.

      The agony of this induces shock at times. If shock is not reversed, death follows.

      But let’s be optimistic. Let’s say this poor child does not die of shock. Let’s say she becomes septic, aka massive septicemia. Then she still dies, in agony. Septicemia takes 3 or 4 days to kill: esp. when the pt. is young-and otherwise healthy. Organ by organ, the body shuts down.

      I mean AGONY. For it goes w/o saying, that the barbarians who engage is such atrocities, have no notion of antibiotics or ‘post-op’ care.

      And here is what those who live, ‘recover’ to: For the rest of her life, she is prone to chronic UTI’s (urinary tract infections). This occurs because the fragile mucosa (mucous membranes) guarding the meatus NEVER regenerate. And the infection present at the meatus ascends. Where our urine exits the body is, so to say, the bottom of our urinary system. Our kidneys are the top. Because there is constant infection at the bottom, the ureters which ascend from the meatus carry infection to the kidneys. So the child’s kidneys begin to fail…

      And we haven’t even gotten to sex yet, have we?

      Because that is when the real horror begins. The vagina is designed, not only to deliver a baby; but to admit a penis. Almighty God in His creation of man and woman has seen to it that we are ‘fearfully and wonderfully made’. But His design is butchered in FGM, and ever after sexual intercourse for these poor young women is agonizing. I do not exaggerate. The vaginal lubrication which normally attends sexual arousal, DOES NOT OCCUR. That is because the clitoris normally triggers this.

      But there is no clitoris, so there is no arousal/lubrication. So every time a young woman (wait-these are muslims. What am I thinking. It could just as well be a 9 year old child) ‘has sex’, she tears. Vaginally. In time, there is permanent scarification. Which only adds to her agony…

      Every woman here knows the pain of a UTI. In like manner we know the pain of vaginal tearing.

      But we are western women, so our husbands love us. The last thing they want to do is hurt us. And since they are real men, not sadistic perverts, they desire our pleasure because-again due to God’s perfect plan-our pleasure makes possible their own.

      But muslim ‘men’ are not men. Their only concern is their own ‘pleasure’. So every night that comes they rape and tear and assault their ‘wives’.

      I heard Trump’s speech today on foreign policy. Then I read of the thousands of cases, now here in our country, of FGM. And I cried out to God, ‘How long oh Lord? How long before we may blot out these monsters in our midst?’

      • Linde Barrera says

        August 16, 2016 at 1:32 am

        To Cathy Brown, Esq.- Your comprehensive and detailed comment about FGM should be sent to all Islamic men and women worldwide, as a reference source. I guess the internet would be the only way to convey this info to so many millions of people. Then, at least they would have a very specific account of what FGM does. After reading your comment, they would most likely think twice, I would hope. God bless you for your concern. I wonder why feminist groups never criticize those who advocate for and practice FGM. 😈

        • Veka Fitzfrancis says

          August 16, 2016 at 5:51 pm

          Funny thing is the first time I went through University, the feminist groups on campus WERE justifiably angry and vocal about this. The second time I went through, a mere decade later, for my Masters, they had gone silent, and instead of the occasional brightly patterned head scarves I was seeing full on nabiqs on campus by the Saudi female students. I have since heard of this ‘third wave’ feminism, and given how closely it resembles Sharia on free speech, and promotes segregation, and the building of safe spaces and victimhood, I cannot but help to think that Feminists have been subsumed by their Islamist masters.

      • bob says

        August 16, 2016 at 4:20 am

        Thank you for such an in depth insight into FGM. God created our bodies and humans destroy it. Muslims?? No idea where they get their ideas from.

        • John spielman says

          August 16, 2016 at 9:32 am

          Dear Bob; muslims get their ideas from Satan because allah of the Koran and hadiths IS Satan of the Bible
          if one does a thorough research of the attributes of allah of the Koran and hadiths of muhammed you will see that allah is the “best of deceivers and loves to kill and steal and torture people. In the Bible, Jesus ( who is truly God incarnate and whom muslims denigrate to a mere man) describes Satan as a ” murderer thief and liar from the beginning”

        • maghan says

          August 16, 2016 at 7:57 pm

          Where they got it from? The esteemed Prophet Muhammad as their Supreme Guide recommended it. Anything he prescribed must be followed.

          According to the Islamic Trilogy “women are like tilth and could be plowed and seeded anytime–even on a camel’s hump(no pun intended). FGM is merely a foolish practice that says “mine is mine” and “yours is yours” provided that they are enshrouded, kept under wraps and keenly supervised.

      • Jac says

        August 16, 2016 at 4:55 am

        I agree…..your very accurate report of this obscenity SHOULD be forwarded to muslim authorities as well as our ‘spineless’ politicians and journalists in the west.
        Thank you for your expert information and courage in posting these facts.

      • mortimer says

        August 16, 2016 at 12:53 pm

        Thank you, Kathy, esq., for your graphic description. I would like you in future some time, to explain to this audience what happens when children (in Islamic child marriages) have babies… i.e. vagino-anal fistula.

        We must stop these barbaric Islamic practices of FGM and child marriages out of compassion for the women victims.

      • gravenimage says

        August 16, 2016 at 2:50 pm

        Kathy, it is even worse with Type III FGM–practiced in places like Somalia–where the vagina is actually sewn up. In order for a woman just to have intercourse, she must be *cut open with a knife*.

        This renders intercourse both horrifically painful and subject to dangerous infections. Such women often develop fistulas in childbirth, where the fetus punches through the artificially narrow birth canal into the rectum. This often results in incontinence and sometimes in deadly infections. Even the women who survive are often–grotesquely–rejected by their husbands.

        Charitable Infidels have set up Fistula hospitals in Africa. The victims insist they be have their vaginas sewn up again on discharge, or their husbands would never accept them back.

        http://hamlinfistula.org/

  2. Kay says

    August 16, 2016 at 12:29 am

    It’s incredible that there even has to be discussion about this gross physical abuse. Even the name of it– mutilation– says it all. Even if there weren’t health problems (and there are), the psychological wounds that go along with such abuse would be extremely difficult to overcome.

  3. Rob says

    August 16, 2016 at 12:52 am

    I suggest this dope read Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s account of the forced rupturing of her closed vagina on her wedding night.
    Beyond sickening. A woman’e ‘zeal’?
    A woman’s right to her sexuality.
    The WHO would prefer to devote its one 2016 censure to Israel and ignore anti-female practises like FGM.
    And the WHO is run by a woman!!

  4. sham says

    August 16, 2016 at 1:50 am

    Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Yazid Al-Ansari: “The Prophet forbade robbery (taking away what belongs to others without their permission), and also forbade mutilation (or maiming) of bodies. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Oppressions, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 654)”

    Malik said, ‘The generally agreed on way of doing things in our community is that when the doctor performs a circumcision and cuts off the glans, he must pay the full blood-money. That is because it is an accident which the tribe is responsible for, and the full blood money is payable for all that in which a doctor errs or exceeds, when it is not intentional.’ (Translation of Malik’s Muwatta, Blood-Money, Book 43, Number 43.5.4a)”

    Circumcision for females is not allowed in Islam:

    The following Hadith (Saying of Prophet Muhammad) was given to me by sister “Muslimah” on my Message Board; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her.

    Narrated Jafar bin ‘Amr bin Umaiya: “I went out with ‘Ubaidullah bin ‘Adi Al-Khaiyar. When we reached Hims (i.e. a town in Syria), ‘Ubaidullah bin ‘Adi said (to me), “Would you like to see Wahshi so that we may ask him about the killing of Hamza?” I replied, “Yes.” Wahshi used to live in Hims. We enquired about him and somebody said to us, “He is that in the shade of his palace, as if he were a full water skin.” So we went up to him, and when we were at a short distance from him, we greeted him and he greeted us in return. ‘Ubaidullah was wearing his turban and Wahshi could not see except his eyes and feet. ‘Ubaidullah said, “O Wahshi! Do you know me?” Wahshi looked at him and then said, “No, by Allah! But I know that ‘Adi bin Al-Khiyar married a woman called Um Qital, the daughter of Abu Al-Is, and she delivered a boy for him at Mecca, and I looked for a wet nurse for that child. (Once) I carried that child along with his mother and then I handed him over to her, and your feet resemble that child’s feet.” Then ‘Ubaidullah uncovered his face and said (to Wahshi), “Will you tell us (the story of) the killing of Hamza?” Wahshi replied “Yes, Hamza killed Tuaima bin ‘Adi bin Al-Khaiyar at Badr (battle) so my master, Jubair bin Mut’im said to me, ‘If you kill Hamza in revenge for my uncle, then you will be set free.” When the people set out (for the battle of Uhud) in the year of ‘Ainain ..’Ainain is a mountain near the mountain of Uhud, and between it and Uhud there is a valley.. I went out with the people for the battle. When the army aligned for the fight, Siba’ came out and said, ‘Is there any (Muslim) to accept my challenge to a duel?’ Hamza bin ‘Abdul Muttalib came out and said, ‘O Siba’. O Ibn Um Anmar, the ************one who circumcises other ladies! ********Do you challenge Allah and His Apostle?’

    Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: “A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: *********** Do not cut severely *********as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 41, Number 5251)”

    • Roger says

      August 16, 2016 at 8:38 am

      Quoting from the Koran is pointless, since other passages contradict; and saying female circumcision is not allowed does not mean it is not being done. Clearly it is and one wonders how many survive the surgery? I have seen the statistics on fatalities in creating eunuchs (a much better comparison than to male circumcision)–those wanting to create a eunuch typically did ten boys in order to have one survive. And I should not make eunuchs a practice of the past, since that still goes on in barbarous parts of the world as well.

    • Mirren10 says

      August 16, 2016 at 9:26 am

      sham, apart from being a real *sham*, you’re also an idiot.

      First you attempt to say female circumcision is forbidden in your foul cult, and then you quote a hadith where your repulsive ‘prophet’ says; ”A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: *********** Do not cut severely *********as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.”

      So which is it ? Forbidden, or just cutting less ‘severely’ ?

    • Nigel GFF says

      August 16, 2016 at 10:30 am

      “The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: *********** Do not cut severely *********”

      Cut but not severely, eh.

      “Circumcision for females is not allowed in Islam:”

      May I humbly suggest that you read your words before posting.

    • gravenimage says

      August 16, 2016 at 3:14 pm

      The vile sham wrote–or, more likely, cribbed from elsewhere:

      Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Yazid Al-Ansari: “The Prophet forbade robbery (taking away what belongs to others without their permission), and also forbade mutilation (or maiming) of bodies. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Oppressions, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 654)”
      ……………………………….

      Only Infidels consider this savagery mutilation–Mohammedans justify it, so the above is not pertinent.

      More:

      Malik said, ‘The generally agreed on way of doing things in our community is that when the doctor performs a circumcision and cuts off the glans, he must pay the full blood-money. That is because it is an accident which the tribe is responsible for, and the full blood money is payable for all that in which a doctor errs or exceeds, when it is not intentional.’ (Translation of Malik’s Muwatta, Blood-Money, Book 43, Number 43.5.4a)”
      ……………………………….

      This is when *male* circumcision goes wrong. It has nothing to do with mutilating girls.

      More:

      Circumcision for females is not allowed in Islam:

      The following Hadith (Saying of Prophet Muhammad) was given to me by sister “Muslimah” on my Message Board; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her.

      Narrated Jafar bin ‘Amr bin Umaiya: “I went out with ‘Ubaidullah bin ‘Adi Al-Khaiyar. When we reached Hims (i.e. a town in Syria), ‘Ubaidullah bin ‘Adi said (to me), “Would you like to see Wahshi so that we may ask him about the killing of Hamza?” I replied, “Yes.” Wahshi used to live in Hims. We enquired about him and somebody said to us, “He is that in the shade of his palace, as if he were a full water skin.” So we went up to him, and when we were at a short distance from him, we greeted him and he greeted us in return. ‘Ubaidullah was wearing his turban and Wahshi could not see except his eyes and feet. ‘Ubaidullah said, “O Wahshi! Do you know me?” Wahshi looked at him and then said, “No, by Allah! But I know that ‘Adi bin Al-Khiyar married a woman called Um Qital, the daughter of Abu Al-Is, and she delivered a boy for him at Mecca, and I looked for a wet nurse for that child. (Once) I carried that child along with his mother and then I handed him over to her, and your feet resemble that child’s feet.” Then ‘Ubaidullah uncovered his face and said (to Wahshi), “Will you tell us (the story of) the killing of Hamza?” Wahshi replied “Yes, Hamza killed Tuaima bin ‘Adi bin Al-Khaiyar at Badr (battle) so my master, Jubair bin Mut’im said to me, ‘If you kill Hamza in revenge for my uncle, then you will be set free.” When the people set out (for the battle of Uhud) in the year of ‘Ainain ..’Ainain is a mountain near the mountain of Uhud, and between it and Uhud there is a valley.. I went out with the people for the battle. When the army aligned for the fight, Siba’ came out and said, ‘Is there any (Muslim) to accept my challenge to a duel?’ Hamza bin ‘Abdul Muttalib came out and said, ‘O Siba’. O Ibn Um Anmar, the ************one who circumcises other ladies! ********Do you challenge Allah and His Apostle?’
      ……………………………….

      This challenge is not offered, of course, because this person performs FGM. The reference to “one who circumcises other ladies” just serves to identify the person.

      More:

      Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: “A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: *********** Do not cut severely *********as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 41, Number 5251)”
      ……………………………….

      This is, of course, the main Hadith Muslims use to *justify* FGM, not to oppose it.

      Certainly, many Muslims practice this barbarism.

      If sham *really* believed that his coreligionists were getting Islam so very, very wrong here, he would take it up with them, instead of pestering the good Infidels here at Jihad Watch.

      • maghan says

        August 16, 2016 at 8:07 pm

        The Prophet forbade “robbery”. How so? That man was the biggest robber and thief in Islamdom. He robbed, murdered and raped his way through Arabia like a knife through butter. Classic case; that of Safiyya bint Huyayya. Muhammad murdered Kinana, her husband, then robbed him of his gold, then raped Safiyya, sanctioned by a sham marriage.

  5. Jay Boo says

    August 16, 2016 at 2:38 am

    The Boston Bomber’s Mom and Sister????

    Dagestan
    Homeland of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and his brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
    Maybe that explains why their sister and their mother are bitter hateful bitches.

  6. Angemon says

    August 16, 2016 at 7:04 am

    Russian Muslim official defends female circumcision after researchers discover its practice in Dagestan

    O Christianblood, where art thou?

  7. duh swami says

    August 16, 2016 at 8:55 am

    FGM is Allah’s way of saying ‘ II love you’, which is a good reason to stay as far away from Allah as you can get…

  8. aaron morand says

    August 16, 2016 at 9:11 am

    freaking monsters ….Genesis 16…read it for yourself re Abraham/Sara/Hagar/Ishmael…..and God
    said re Ishmael (the progenitor of the Arabic/Muslim peoples…(Ishmael) will be a wild ass of a man
    (unreasoning/violent), his hand will be against every man and every mans hand will be against him
    and he will live with his brothers ………does this describe the muslim ..oh yes…and are they at war with
    the world…oh yes….do they fight among themselves re their religion…oh yes…..there is NO appeasement
    for the Muslim…it is my opinion that even the most peaceful of them would in a heart beat take up
    and set into motion a fight/tumult of some kind if a non-believer were to “insult” mohammed…..TRUST
    NONE of THEM!!!!!!

  9. gravenimage says

    August 16, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    Russia: Muslim leader defends FGM after it’s discovered in Dagestan
    …………………………

    Despite false claims that this is just an “African custom”, you find it in Indonesia, in Iraq, in Iran, in Russia, and now, increasingly, in the West–wherever Muslims go,

    Moreover, attempts to quash this barbarism are always opposed by Muslim clerics, on Islamic grounds.

  10. Iftikhar Ahmad says

    August 16, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    Female “circumcism pre-dates Islam among certain Arabic and African tribes, and still exists among those surviving tribes as well as Islam. Check your hadiths and you’ll find Mohammed cursing a Meccan as “son of a clitoris cutter.”

    FGM is nothing to do with Islam. It was a common practice even before the advent of Islam in Africa and in some tribes in the Middle East

    What’s the point of the legal age being 16 when you are being taught at school that it’s ok as long as you practice safe sex. Nothing about love, respect, serious relationships or more importantly abstinence! Oh and something needs to be done about BOYS, too! Girls can’t be the only ones responsible for resisting pressure you know. More sex education in schools = more teenage pregnancies= more abortions. One of the problems is that now in schools we are taught safe sex at an early age, and not abstinence. The message was basically that sex at a young age is fine as long as it’s practiced safely. It should be taught that at such a young age, neither protected or unprotected sex is ok. The message is simply not clear enough.

    The rising numbers of girls having under-age sex is alarming. It is not a cost-free phenomenon. It poses public health policy challenges and social challenges. The underlying cause must be the purification of British culture and the increasing sexualisation of pre-adolescent girls. Sex education in many schools has had the effect of breaking down the natural inhibitions of children with regard to sexual conduct, and the age of consent is rarely enforced, so young people no longer have any fear of legal proceedings. On top of that, the ready availability of contraception means that a girl’s fear of pregnancy is no longer considered a good enough reason for rejecting her boyfriend’s advances, and confidentiality policies mean that a girl need not worry about what her parents would think about her being sexually active, obtaining contraception, being treated for a sexually transmitted infection or even having an abortion, because they don’t have to be told.

    Although Britain’s teenage pregnancy rates have recently started to fall, they still remain among the highest in Europe. In 2009, there were 38,259 pregnancies in girls under 18 compared with 41,361 in 2008, a decline of 7.5 per cent. Every year around 3,700 girls under 16 have an abortion. There is concern that society is becoming increasingly ‘sexualised’. When children are taught at age 8-10 that sex is a fun thing that two people do when they “love” each other what do we expect!!! And if the sex education people in schools have their way this will continue to rise.

    This message is to all the girls who think its ok to sleep around, have one night stands and think….do I really need to be used as a public toilet, letting men dump their load and zip up without saying thanks. Please have some respect for yourself and buck up your morals. It’s degrading, end of..

    AS A father or MOTHER IT IS MY DUTY to teach the sacred nature of chastity. Promiscuity will be the downfall of our nation.There is nothing of greater worth than the chastity of a man or woman. Bring back and encourage virtue into our homes and we will bring back honour and integrity . Also les pressure on STD clinics which are rife with appointments each day. Male circumcision — a medical procedure in both Judaism and Islam that has nothing to do with female genital mutilation or “female circumcision,” which is not required by the Koran, and which has no medical benefits, only medical liabilities — could well be the latest victim of misguided political correctness, despite massive medical evidence that male circumcision is “cleaner,” meaning that the area involved becomes less prone to harbouring infections and transmitting diseases. British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
    IA
    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

    • Angemon says

      August 16, 2016 at 7:28 pm

      Iftikhar Ahmad posted:

      Check your hadiths and you’ll find Mohammed cursing a Meccan as “son of a clitoris cutter.”

      Hadiths, eh?

      Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and plucking the armpit hairs.”

      Abu al- Malih ibn `Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: “Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.

      Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

      FGM is nothing to do with Islam.

      Other than being part of the fitrah.

      What’s the point of the legal age being 16 when you are being taught at school that it’s ok as long as you practice safe sex.

      What does that have to do with FGM? And isn’t the legal age in islamic law 9?

      More sex education in schools = more teenage pregnancies= more abortions.

      Ah, I take it you’re one of those people who thinks sex ed is telling students to go out and have sex? Please explain how explaining the use of contraceptives means more teenage pregnancies. Also, explain if you oppose teenage pregnancy on an ideological level or if you’re OK with it when it is, for example, the 14-year-old child wife of a 60-year-old muslim “man”. Hey, if you’re going to derail this topic with unrelated themes, I’m going to get the most out of it.

      The rising numbers of girls having under-age sex is alarming. It is not a cost-free phenomenon. It poses public health policy challenges and social challenges.

      Case in point: the muslim rape gangs in Rotherham.

      The underlying cause must be the purification of British culture and the increasing sexualisation of pre-adolescent girls.

      No, I’m sure that Rotherham was caused by serial rapists preying on vulnerable children.

      Sex education in many schools has had the effect of breaking down the natural inhibitions of children with regard to sexual conduct

      Citation needed.

      and the age of consent is rarely enforced, so young people no longer have any fear of legal proceedings.

      Which is a non-issue when both parties are under the age of consent.

      Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society

      Then you can leave. Anyone who does not wish to integrate with their host society has no business being there to begin with. Foreign muslims should be booted back to their countries of origin. Natives… well, let’s just say that if the choice was to integrate and work for a living (no jizyia for you!), or starve, the problem would sort itself out.

      indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour

      Like sharia patrols? Muslim rape gangs?

      drug and knife culture

      Like the muslim rape gangs who drugged girls and forced hem to have sex at knife-point?

      binge drinking

      Like all those islamic suicide bombers who spent their last night partying?

      teenage pregnancies and abortion.

      Like the victims of the muslim rape gangs?

      Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods.

      “State-funded”? Not in a sane society – I’d love to say that if you want your special needs class for your special needs children you should pay it out of your own ass, but I’m a firm believer in not discriminating against anyone if it can be avoided, so your children should have the exact same education given to a non-muslim children. No more, no less.

    • maghan says

      August 16, 2016 at 8:11 pm

      Fool, if it has NOTHING to do with Islam, why isn’t the practice HARAM? It is an Islamic practice through and through. Ritual animal sacrifice and banging heads on the ground while praying predate Islam too but both are part of Islamic lore now.

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  1. θ says:

    There is consensus in Islamic scholars to forbid FGM, i.e. removal or complete separation of any part of clitoral hood from entire clitoris. Prophet Muhammad forbids any removal and the severe cutting off.
    By definition FGM is a mutilation, bot circumcision. It causes the girl’s privy cut off, severed, bleeding, lost sensitivity. It is morally right to depict FGM with a horror of the tearful crying of a little girl. Hence, FGM is really forbidden in Islam.

    Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 5251,
    Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. لاَ تُنْهِكِي فَإِنَّ ذَلِكَ أَحْظَى لِلْمَرْأَةِ وَأَحَبُّ إِلَى الْبَعْلِ
    Arabic: Mar-ati: mature woman.

    Moreover, it is not a Fitra to circumcise a little girl. Female circumcision (not FGM) is not carried on a little girl but for a mature woman ( Mar-ati) in marriage, that is to prepare her for a better enjoyment with her husband, since certain woman’s clitoris hides down or gets concealed sometimes by a narrow shape of labia.
    Bukhari, Vol 7, Book 72, Number 779
    I heard the Prophet saying. Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustaches short, clipping the nails, and depilating the hair of the armpits.

  2. θ says:

    Correction.
    There is consensus of Islamic scholars to forbid FGM, i.e. removal or complete separation of any part of clitoral hood from entire clitoris. Prophet Muhammad forbids any removal and the severe cutting off.
    By definition FGM is a mutilation, not circumcision. It causes the girl’s privy cut off, severed, bleeding, lost sensitivity. It is morally right to depict FGM with a horror of the tearful crying of a little girl. Hence, FGM is really forbidden in Islam.

    Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 5251,
    Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. لاَ تُنْهِكِي فَإِنَّ ذَلِكَ أَحْظَى لِلْمَرْأَةِ وَأَحَبُّ إِلَى الْبَعْلِ
    Arabic: Mar-ati: mature woman.

    It is not a Fitra to circumcise a little girl. Female circumcision (not FGM) is not carried on a little girl but specifically for a mature post pubescent woman (Mar-ati) on purpose of marriage, that is to prepare her for a better enjoyment with her husband, since certain woman’s clitoris hides down or gets concealed sometimes by a narrow shape of labia.
    Bukhari, Vol 7, Book 72, Number 779
    I heard the Prophet saying. Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustaches short, clipping the nails, and depilating the hair of the armpits.

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