The Basics of Islam 3: Robert Spencer on Wasn’t Muhammad Peaceful?

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  1. θ says:

    Prophet Muhammad is merciful precisely. He forgives when he gains the upper hand. There’s no peace for the sin. Islam is the religion of peace because it is perfected or completed in the peaceful time.
    The loving Christians even insist that Jesus would just play the fiddle on the roof when the children are being killed, the city is being burned, and the women are being ravished in front of his eyes because he is peaceful.

  2. madmanna says:

    No. This is a strawman. The followers of Jesus have to attack those who attack unjustly. This is the royal law and the golden rule. There is a limit to the evil which can be passively resisted by the followers of Jesus for the sake of the gospel. Of course we expect Muslims to misrepresent the Jesus of the NT.

    Mohammed was breaking the law of Moses because he had no right to attack any human beings. It is not mercy to abstain from evil. It is simply staying within the bounds of the law.

  3. θ says:

    madmanna says: No. This is a strawman. The followers of Jesus have to attack those who attack unjustly. ”

    Isn’t true that Jesus just played the fiddle on the roof when he heard that the sinful Romans arrested, imprisoned and killed his own cousin John the Baptist?
    Why has Jesus stopped Peter from attacking the Romans with a sword he commanded them to buy?

    “madmanna says: Mohammed was breaking the law of Moses because he had no right to attack any human beings. ”

    On the contrary, Qur’an on Shari’ah Minimalism:
    Fighting (either harming, attacking, hurting or killing) the innocent ones is forbidden.

    Q.17, v.33. And do not fight the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right.

    Per Qur’an Q.60, v.8, Allah loves Moslems who perform the justifiable and righteous Golden Rule to Non-Moslems. All civil crime can be pardonable except 2 things: War on Islam and expulsion.

    Q.60, v.8. Allah does not forbid you towards those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your lands, from being righteous on them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

  4. madmanna says:

    Jesus could have arranged the death of Herod simply by cutting off his life support in some way, for example by causing him to have an heart attack or a stroke or any other bodily malfunction.

    Or he could have used violent men like Allah prefers to do it so they can earn brownie points for paradise and virgins.

    Neither was his will at the time.

    His own mission was to lay down his life for the salvation of others.

  5. madmanna says:

    “On the contrary, Qur’an on Shari’ah Minimalism:
    Fighting (either harming, attacking, hurting or killing) the innocent ones is forbidden.”

    The law of Moses is that physical violence is only allowable in the context of resistance against an ongoing violent attack. It is not permissible outside this context.

    It is only permissible as a juristic response if it is directed against the person who carried out the attack and caused the harm in the first place, not against his family, clan or society in lieu.

    So the Islamic law of Jihad or Sharia, which allows the killing of any member of the family or clan as a penal substitute for example, violates the Judaic – Christian ethic of the bible.

  6. θ says:

    “madmanna says: Jesus could have arranged the death of Herod simply by cutting off his life support in some way, for example by causing him to have an heart attack or a stroke or any other bodily malfunction.”

    No, the angel who smites Herod to death does it for a different reason.
    Acts 12:23
    And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

    Jesus just plays the fiddle on the roof figuratively at least at three occasions:
    (i) When Herod kills James.
    (ii) When the Jewish persecutors hunt down, torture, and stone Paul into the extent of Lystra in Antioch, along with Jesus’ refusal to heal Paul’s eye sickness despite begging him thrice.
    (iii) Moreover when Jewish crowds stone Stephen while seeing Jesus in heaven. How ironic Jesus just watches Stephen of getting stoned to death by the crowds without reacting whatsoever.
    Acts 12
    1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.
    Acts 14:19
    And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.
    Acts 7
    56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him:

  7. θ says:

    “madmanna says: It is only permissible as a juristic response if it is directed against the person who carried out the attack and caused the harm in the first place, not against his family, clan or society in lieu. – Christian ethic of the bible.”

    What a Christian ethic, Jesus would just play the fiddle on the roof when the children are being killed, the city is being burned, and the women are being ravished in front of his eyes, simply because he wants to be called a peaceful person.
    How ironic, Jesus just stands coldly without any expression when Stephen gets stoned while seeing him in heaven. Jesus just watches a stoning by mobs without reacting whatsoever.
    Acts 7
    56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him:

    Jehovah praises Pinchas who stabbed a Jew and Moabite woman in the bed, even though Moabites never fought Jews, and Jews were forbidden from taking over Moabite lands.
    Num 25:5
    And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor.

  8. madmanna says:

    “What a Christian ethic, Jesus would just play the fiddle on the roof when the children are being killed, the city is being burned, and the women are being ravished in front of his eyes, simply because he wants to be called a peaceful person.”

    I said that self defence was right during the ongoing attack so the people involved have the right to defend themselves in this situation.

  9. madmanna says:

    “How ironic, Jesus just stands coldly without any expression when Stephen gets stoned while seeing him in heaven. Jesus just watches a stoning by mobs without reacting whatsoever.”

    To be killed for the sake of the gospel is an honorable death and emulates the death of Jesus and so glorifies him.

  10. madmanna says:

    The Moabites deliberately attempted to corrupt the people of Israel to follow their gods by tempting them in various ways to practice fornication with them. They knew that this was wrong.

  11. θ says:

    “madmanna says: The Moabites deliberately attempted to corrupt the people of Israel to follow their gods by tempting them in various ways to practice fornication with them. They knew that this was wrong.”

    What a murderous ethic you advise, Do you imply it is okay for Jews to kill on the spot the Evangelists, pastors, and street preachers who proselytise the wrong god of the Trinity to Jews?

    “madmanna says: To be killed for the sake of the gospel is an honorable death and emulates the death of Jesus and so glorifies him.”

    So Jesus should have thanked the Jewish mobs for having sent Stephen to his death?
    By following Jesus’ ethical apathy, it explains why the Christian world just stands coldly without any expression when Christian minorities gets their children slaughtered, their men butchered, their women ravished by the angry mobs without reacting whatsoever.

    Even Christians owe the radicals a big thank you for continuously sending their minorities to death.

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