UK: Muslim wishes Christians happy Easter, is murdered by other Muslim in “religiously prejudiced” attack

Here is the straight dope from IslamQA.com:

Can a muslim celebrate a non muslim holiday like Thanksgiving?
Published Date: 1998-03-29

Praise be to Allaah.
Greeting the kuffaar on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs is haraam, by consensus, as Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said in Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah: “Congratulating the kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to them is haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah.”

Congratulating the kuffaar on their religious festivals is haraam to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not aceept the rituals of kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept any of that at all, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“If you disbelieve, then verily, Allaah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. . .”
[al-Zumar 39:7]

“. . . This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion . . .”
[al-Maa’idah 5:3]

So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.

If they greet us on the occasion of their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those which may have been prescribed formerly have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the whole of mankind. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]…

Asad Shah was murdered after he wished Christians a “Good Friday and very happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation.”

Asad Shah

“Scotland police probe killing of Muslim shopkeeper who posted Facebook Easter message to Christians,” FoxNews.com, March 26, 2016:

A popular shopkeeper who wished Christians a happy Easter on Facebook was stabbed to death in what police in Scotland say was a “religiously prejudiced” attack carried out by a fellow Muslim, it was reported Saturday.

A vigil was held Friday night in Glasgow’s Shawlands neighborhood in memory of Asad Shah who was killed the day before– a few hours after he apparently posted messages on Facebook that said “Good Friday and very happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation.”

“Let’s follow the real footstep of beloved holy Jesus Christ and get the real success in both worlds,” one of the messages said.

Police said a 32-year-old man has been arrested in connection with Shah’s death. Police said the suspect is Muslim. He was not been identified.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon joined the vigil in support of Shah and his family.

“Moved to be one of hundreds tonight as Shawlands united in grief for Asad Shah and support for his family,” Sturgeon tweeted afterward, the BBC reported Saturday.

According to the BBC, those attending the memorial were encouraged to bring a daffodil. Those at the gathering laid flowers and lit candles.

“It was very respectful,” vigil organizer Eildon Dyer told the BBC. “There were a lot of people clearly very upset. There were a lot of tears and lots and lots of flowers.”

Dyer added: “Everybody has said he was the nicest man. He was clearly much-loved. Everybody had nice stories to tell about him and warm stories. It’s just very, very sad.”…

COMMENTS:
  1. John Spielman says

    March 26, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    Islam is a dispicable gutter religion because it allows/even encourages violence esp murder of unbelievers and apostates, even those Muslims who show kindness to unbelievers
    Muhammad pbuh* would be proud of the murder of this fellow muslin by other muslims as a way to keep others in line by threats of terror even to believers in allah( Satan to nonmuslims.
    pbuh* perpetual banishment unto hell

    • Dr. Divinity says

      March 27, 2016 at 4:58 pm

      The fact that anyone is killed, by a muslim, for wishing someone Happy Easter is another of a myriad of reasons to show the stupidity in Islam and it’s adherents.

    • Sandra Lee Smithn says

      March 27, 2016 at 6:51 pm

      Sad thing is this one was murdered for wishing Christians something that isn’t even Christian, but PAGAN! Easter is derived from Ishtar; today Christians are celebrating RESURRECTION DAY, if they’re true followers of Yhwh and Yeshua His Son, because without that resurrection all the rest is meaningless, including the crucifixion!

    • Phobic-ist says

      March 26, 2016 at 3:59 pm

      The Guardian is a despicable leftist rag read by aging white self-loathing liberals, SJWs, rabid anti-Semites, BBC employees and all other shades of Marxist trash. Thankfully it is losing around £1m per week, but is apparently kept going by, well, what exactly….? I look forward to the day it crashes and burns, which can’t come soon enough. No surprise at its selective reporting of this case, but sadly it would seem the other dead tree press in the UK are quite happy to follow its lead in this regard. Bastards….

      • Ahem says

        March 26, 2016 at 10:24 pm

        The BBC advertises frequently and exclusively in The Guardian.

        This means that the perpetually duped British taxpayer, via compulsory government TV licence fees paid to the BBC, is forced to subsidise not only the lying filth of the BBC, that’s bad enough, but also indirectly pays a subsidy to the lying filth of The Guardian.

    • Hope says

      March 26, 2016 at 4:24 pm

      Thank you for the link. I just read the Guardian report. These disgraceful liberal scum do not have the guts to print the truth.

      • judith grayson says

        March 26, 2016 at 5:49 pm

        the Guardian. the Independent. the BBC. the UN. everyone in Ireland. eurotrash whose notion of counterterrorism is fighting Jewish tomatoes and oranges. the average american college student 99.6% of whom cannot read.or point out where the middle east is on a map. muslims who are not terrorists are murdered in the streets by hamas who calls them collaborators. any muslim who actually seeks a decent free spirited life is therefore rarely heard from. they’re dead. by the hand of muslims. and here we are. and if we don’t start telling the truth pretty soon we’re not going to be telling each other anything. sadly, we won’t be rescued. on a nuclear dead planet no one in space can hear us scream.

    • Brit says

      March 26, 2016 at 5:44 pm

      Not only does it not print the truth, but am I being over-sensetive in detecting an implication that the murderer is probably a “far-right islamophobe” ?

      “what a strong sense of community there is in the Southside of Glasgow, who will not tolerate this barbaric and hateful attitude.”

      • Rob says

        March 26, 2016 at 6:00 pm

        Thanks all.
        Be interesting to see how the Guardian segues its way out of its first report when the facts come out.
        BTW I’m also waiting to see how the BBC wangles its way out of its continued use of the words ‘so-called’ when referring to IS :-)

    • Mike says

      March 26, 2016 at 6:39 pm

      As with all the other comments here, the BBC, Guardian, Independent are all full of liars who try to spin the truth. At least in the Indy, its possible to post the truth against their 90% of blatant spin without it being blocked however one post of the truth is all it takes to be kicked off the BBC or Guardian blogs much like ABC news here.

    • gravenimage says

      March 26, 2016 at 11:51 pm

      When this rag repeats “religiously prejudiced” without mentioning that the suspect is Muslim, it makes it sound as though Shah was murdered by Infidels by being Muslim. Just despicable.

  2. Mo says

    March 26, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    A Facebook post?! Think about that. Think about murdering someone just over a FB post offering another group of people good wishes on a holiday. Who does that? I can barely get my mind around such a thing. How disgusting and sad.

    I hate this religion more every day.

      • Custos Custodum says

        March 27, 2016 at 3:29 am

        Correct. Zuckerberg has been working hard to help destroy continental Europe.

        The UK has a chance to reduce further impact by leaving the EU (“Brexit”), but the country is probably too far gone to take such action.

        In the U.S., Zuckerberg has been working with Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim (corrupt monopolist and de facto owner of the NY Times) on ways to import more illegal aliens into the U.S. so as to keep working wages low.

    • gravenimage says

      March 26, 2016 at 11:58 pm

      Shah reportedly also handed out hand-made Christmas cards to his customers.

      And that is why he had to die.

      God, I hate Islam.

  3. Hope says

    March 26, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    Another vigil? More candles and flowers? More tears? What stupid nonsense!! I am sick to death of the crocodile tears, the cliches and the platitudes. I don’t want to hear any more about “our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims,” or people “standing in solidarity.” Because every case of Islamic terror is treated as some kind of unfortunate, isolated incident, some kind of aberration. The true cause, the violent hateful ideology of Islam, is never addressed and everyone goes about their business after a few days until the next savage attack, which the media and the government will then label a “tragedy.”

    • Mo says

      March 26, 2016 at 4:34 pm

      @ Hope

      “Another vigil? More candles and flowers? More tears? What stupid nonsense!! I am sick to death of the crocodile tears, the cliches and the platitudes. I don’t want to hear any more about “our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims,” or people “standing in solidarity.” Because every case of Islamic terror is treated as some kind of unfortunate, isolated incident, some kind of aberration. The true cause, the violent hateful ideology of Islam, is never addressed and everyone goes about their business after a few days until the next savage attack, which the media and the government will then label a “tragedy.” ”

      Yes, absolutely right! I am sick of this sappy nonsense as well, and for the same reasons. You’d think these endless atrocities were just natural disasters or accidents that happened through no fault of anyone, instead of deliberate acts of murder by people following an ideology that commands them to commit them.

      But it’s easier to bring flowers and draw mopey cartoons and sing sad songs and invent useless hashtags and spout platitudes than to actually face and deal with the problem, which is Islam. These fools will do ANYTHING, but face up to that.

      It’s like when little kids cover their ears when their parents tell them to do something they don’t want to do. They think doing that is going to make the issue go away. At least little kids can be excused because they don’t know any better. And with some parental training they eventually grow out of that stage. These are adults still behaving this way!

      • Christianblood says

        March 26, 2016 at 5:18 pm

        Mo posted:

        (…Another vigil? More candles and flowers? More tears? What stupid nonsense!! I am sick to death of the crocodile tears, the cliches and the platitudes…)

        Also more stuffed animals and Teddy bears, and cowardly pianists…These people in the EU are acting like small kids!
        They are kids!

        • Mo says

          March 26, 2016 at 7:19 pm

          @ Christianblood

          “Also more stuffed animals and Teddy bears, and cowardly pianists…These people in the EU are acting like small kids!
          They are kids!”

          Ah, yes, the stuffed animals. How could I forget those. Meanwhile, in the real world, the jihadists are training their children in warfare and weapons usage.

          We are pathetic here in the West!

        • gravenimage says

          March 27, 2016 at 12:15 am

          This is what Muslims have their children do with stuffed animals:

          http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/ISIS-Threat/WATCH-Islamic-Jihad-video-shows-child-beheading-his-teddy-bear-413079

          The above is a toddler beheading a teddy bear with a large knife.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6grMxkjqiY

          The above is a young child cutting a stuffed animal’s throat in front of a crowd of other children. One helpful adult dashes what looks to be a cup of red punch on the floor at on point to symbolize the blood of the dying animal.

          Sickening.

        • Christianblood says

          March 27, 2016 at 10:34 am

          gravenimage

          Good point! The picture and the video show that there is an unbridgeable huge GAP that exists between muslims who follow islam and the rest of humanity.

        • Angemon says

          March 28, 2016 at 1:30 pm

          Christianblood posted:

          there is an unbridgeable huge GAP that exists between muslims who follow islam and the rest of humanity.

          Regardless of whether they’re sunni or shiite.

    • Amber says

      March 27, 2016 at 9:15 am

      Michelle Malkin actually just wrote a brilliant article about this. I believe the title was Je Suis Sick of It. You should look it up.

  4. Dazed & Confused says

    March 26, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    And the disgusting BBC and their hard left enablers have cynically attempted to keep the killers identity hidden..

  5. pdxnag says

    March 26, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    Let Omar Alnatour tempt his peaceful co-religionists by publicly proclaiming well wishes upon Christians for Easter.

    Do it with a sandwich board in Dearbornistan, amongst the stoner kids.

  6. Linde Barrera says

    March 26, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    Asad Shah did not deserve to die this way and may his soul be with the Lord Jesus. I hope his killer gets a horrible death. My sense of justice and fairness would not want otherwise.

  7. linnte says

    March 26, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    If this is indeed a photo of the murdered shopkeeper, look at his face! Is that the usual dead eyed, flat expression we see in Muslim people? It is not! I betcha a tenner that guy was “coming around” to Freedom thinking and possibly leaving his flock. Surely there must be more offences than just this Easter’s greetings and they probably have had their eye on him for a while.

  8. Ex-muslim says

    March 26, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    If the people in the UK or in the West had any spine left in their backs such a thing would not have happened in the Western world today. Muslims are opportunists and once they know nothing serious will happen to them they will simply keep murdering ‘infidels’ and ‘apostates’.

  9. Troybeam says

    March 26, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    This is really sad however in Islam his sin was wishing anther faith good wishes which got him killed according to the Koran.

    Islam as a whole is not humanity’s friend and the sooner more people understand that the less power Islam will have to sustain itself within non-Islamic nations..

    • Ex-muslim says

      March 26, 2016 at 5:23 pm

      Troybeam

      Since he praised Christians which are considered “infidels” In the eyes of muslims he is considered as a traitor and as an apostate and therefore he had to die! The UK government and its people don’t understand or want to understand such a reality.

  10. davej says

    March 26, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    Why are Muslims so nasty – because the nasty ones have killed all the nice ones.

    What an infantile and ridiculous “religion”, I mean male sex and murder cult.

  11. Mike says

    March 26, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    Unlike extremists on the right who want to ban all Muslims or the liberals on the left who think Muslims can do no wrong, there is a middle road. It is the confused and twisted message that western governments send out that is the real problem and the sad death described here epitomizes where they go wrong.

    Sickeningly, a caring Muslim shop keeper who was completely integrated into Britain is killed by a bunch of Islamic thugs just for wishing ALL his customers a happy Easter. I can just hear the screams of racism and hate from the progressive liberals and our governments if the attackers had been white but so far, not a pip from the Jihadist apologists over this murder.

    There is ONLY one acceptable and possible response to this heinous act, and that’s for the authorities to stop messing around and stomp on the hate elements within the Muslim communities just as they do elsewhere. We are preached daily that there are ‘moderates’ within the Muslim communities and in this case, its an insult to even call Asad Shah (the Victim) a moderate. He shouldn’t be called a moderate (I’ll come to that at the bottom), a Muslim or anything than distinguishes him from being a person of British nationality. I would look upon him exactly the same as I treat my close friend a Hindu BRITISH ex-neighbor. This British citizen was attacked and killed by hate purveying Islamic extremist thugs. It is imperative the limp wristed CPS (DA) and the plod (Police) in the UK apply an even higher level of action on these thugs that they would on white racist thugs otherwise, they’ll be seen as the usual apologists for extreme elements inside Islamic communities.

    In sadness, here is a golden opportunity for the authorities to back integrated Muslims in the UK as the Muslim Council of Britain just like CAIR over here, have done little in this regard. They need to set a good example to the British public after events like Rotherham where for 10 years the authorities covered up Pakistani Muslims who gang raped 1400 under age girls, but the question is, are they up to it, can they kick off their politically correct shackles !

    So what are you going to do about it Mr. CPS & Mr. Plod & Ms. Theresa May (our Home Secretary in charge of Law & Order) ? Unless you act appropriately to exact retribution for this poor mans family and set an example to other Islamic extremists, you will have sold out to ALL of those of the Muslim faith who have integrated as well as the British public. We will watch your actions with scrutiny, be warned !

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3509367/Muslim-shopkeeper-stabbed-death-hours-posted-happy-Easter-message.html

    Unlike the BBC, at least the Daily Mail had the honesty to report that it was an Islamic extremist thug and to quote them “A police investigation has been launched into the full details surrounding Mr Shah’s death, with officers pursuing a line of inquiry that the attack was ‘racially prejudiced’.”

    Its not difficult to join the dots, a Muslim thug kills an integrated British Muslim over a racial matter and the police believe its a hate crime. Meanwhile the gutless pond life at the BBC need to be called out on this for mis-reporting by their liberal journalists ! They are part of the problem as much as the Jihadists and extremists and need to be labeled as such.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35898543

    Finally, I will add there is no such person as a moderate Christian, Hindu or Sikh so why should there be such a person called a moderate Muslim. You are either a peace loving citizen in thought word and deed or your’re an extremist in thought word and deed, its that simple. If the liberals persist in using this adjective Moderate to describe Muslims who don’t kill but still hate us, then there’s no logical reason why the term Moderate can’t be applied to the KKK or any other hate group who don’t actually kill.. Its time they understood what they are really saying.

  12. Jerry says

    March 26, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    A sad reminder that Muslims too are a victim of their own faith’s love of violence. Here’s a guy that probably any one could like, an open minded Muslim that just wanted to be friendly in the best way possible. But alas, islam’s ardent followers are not known for their tolerance of opposing views and competing religious beliefs. Makes me ponder how many good people have had to die and suffer for that sick, ignorant religion called islam. That famous line by Weinberg just popped into my head, I had to look up the exact wording:

    Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Islam truly is an insult to human dignity, its vile stupidity is hurting us all. It was founded on violence, preaches violence, provokes violence, causes violence, and the whole world suffers because of it. I feel genuinely sad about this. I hope every western nation wakes up to the inherent evils and violence of this stone-age cult and puts it where it belongs, the trash bin of history.

    • Champ says

      March 26, 2016 at 7:50 pm

      Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      I disagree with Weinberg …

      And here’s a quote from Joseph Harker:

      “For all its flaws, religion remains a force for good”

      Jerry, focus on the real enemy: islam.

      Oh, and let me recommend one of Robert Spencer’s books:

      “Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t”

      Christianity or Islam: which is the real “religion of peace”?
      Almost any liberal pundit will tell you that there’s a religion bent on destroying our Constitution, stripping us of our liberties, and imposing religious rule on the U.S. And that religion is . . .Christianity! About Islam, however, the Left is silent–except to claim a moral equivalence between the two: if Islam has terrorists today, that’s nothing compared to the Crusades, inquisitions, and religious wars in Christianity’s past.

      But is this true? Are conservative Christians really more of a threat to free societies than Islamic jihadists? Is the Bible really “just as violent” as the Qur’an? Is Christianity’s history really as bloodstained as Islam’s? In Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t, New York Times bestselling author Robert Spencer not only refutes such charges, but also explains why Americans and Europeans must regain an appreciation of our Christian heritage if we ever hope to defeat Islamic supremacism. In this eye opening work, Spencer reveals:

      * The fundamental differences between Islamic and Christian teachings about warfare against other religions: “Love your enemies” vs. “Be ruthless to the unbelievers”

      * The myth of Western immorality and Islamic puritanism and why the Islamic world is less moral than the West

      * Why the Islamic world has never developed the distinction between religious and secular law that is inherent in Christianity

      * Why Christianity has always embraced reason–and Islam has always rejected it

      * Why the most determined enemies of Western civilization may not be the jihadists at all, but the leftists who fear their churchgoing neighbors more than Islamic terrorists

      * Why Jews, Christians, and peoples of other faiths (or no faith) are equally at risk from militant Islam

      Spencer writes not to proselytize, but to state a fact: Christianity is a true “religion of peace,” and on it Western civilization stands. If we are not to perish under Islam’s religion of the sword–with its more than 100 million active jihadists seeking to impose sharia law–we had better defend our own civilization.

      Here:

      http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Peace-Christianity-Islam-Isnt/dp/1596985151

      • Jerry says

        March 26, 2016 at 8:28 pm

        Okay, I read your lecture. Thanks for your concern. I’m not in here to debate religion in general. And I do believe I amfocusing on islam, you simply took the opportunity to seize upon one ancillary remark to lecture me. That’s fine, I can take it, I think you mean well. For all it’s worth I mostly agree with your take on the differences of those two faiths. An exception might be the part about Christianity always “embraces reason.” A smart 6th grader knows that’s definitely not true. But even though both faiths are based on falsehoods and bad history, at least Christianity is fundamentally good. As long as one overlooks the torture and wars it too inspired. But that’s all for another forum, not dear Robert Spencer’s. Maybe we’ll meet someplace else in the ethersphere, and then I can tell you the best way I can that no god of love and wisdom would ever contrive the death of innocent man as a contingency for forgiveness. I do believe that god would have more sense than to teach forgiveness with an act of murder. The logical absurdities of both faiths cause my mind to run in fear, those delusions have caused too much death and suffering and they murder good thinking. The god I’m looking for is not that perverse. But like I said, that’s for another place and time. See ya ’round. Hope we can still be friends and allies in the cause.

        • Champ says

          March 26, 2016 at 9:05 pm

          Jerry wrote:

          “For all it’s worth I mostly agree with your take on the differences of those two faiths. An exception might be the part about Christianity always ’embraces reason’. A smart 6th grader knows that’s definitely not true.”

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          This “lecture” isn’t mine, it was written by Robert Spencer, not me.

          I provided this “lecture” since this information describes Robert’s book in greater detail, and this helps the reader (not just you) become better acquainted with this important book in a thorough; yet very succinct format. And, I also provided the *link*, at the end of the supposed lecture, showing where the information came from. Didn’t you see the link?

          Again, this isn’t my “take”, as you suppose, but Robert Spencer’s.

          Robert wrote:

          “Why Christianity has always embraced reason–and Islam has always rejected it”

          You still think that a 6th grader is smarter than Robert Spencer?

          Look, I saw your offering as an opportunity to share one of Robert’s informative books, since you aren’t the only one reading this forum. Many others do, too.

          Please lose the chip on your shoulder. Thank you.

        • Jerry says

          March 26, 2016 at 9:49 pm

          Dear Champ,

          I don’t have a chip on my shoulder. I thought my tone was rather pleasant. Sorry if my frank views on the theological absurdities of Christianity is too tough for you to chew. I’m not here to debate the finer points of Christianity. And I certainly wouldn’t question R. Spencer’s argument for Christianity’s superior morality and warmer embrace of reason than islam. But the suggestion that it “always” embraced reason is so contrary to history as to be laughable. How many intellectuals died at the stake, how long did science have to dance to the tune of that Christian fable? No, I know better than that, not “always” did it embrace reason. Galileo suffered, and Copernicus would have too had he not died first. Michael Servitus, a brilliant polymath put to death for his rational theological views ( I read a bio on him, interesting). Giordano Bruno, another polymath burned for Christ, because he had the temerity to question some unfounded absurdities of the faith; a genius, burned by those who preach, “love your enemy.” Cardano, William of Ockham, Telesio, all intellectuals that managed to irk the church that “always” embraced reason.

          I have the greatest respect for Mr. Spencer, he truly is a hero of mine. He’s brilliant and I’m a slug. But if he or anyone else says without qualification that Christianity “always” embraced reason then I’m going to have to disagree. And if Mr. Spencer is right and I’m wrong, I’m sure he’d be big enough to bear my ignorance. I’ll ask you to do the same. Good night, over-and-out.

        • Champ says

          March 27, 2016 at 12:10 am

          Jerry wrote:

          But the suggestion that it “always” embraced reason is so contrary to history as to be laughable.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Jerry, you are taking this somewhat out of context. Note the entire phrase, is this:

          “Why Christianity has always embraced reason–and Islam has always rejected it”

          Robert is comparing Christianity to islam, here. That “Christianity has always embraced reason–and islam has always rejected it”, to complete the phrase and the train of thought. Of course you may reject the first part of this phrase, if you want, but don’t overlook the second part, or you change the context and overall meaning of what Robert is pointing out.

          You wrote:

          “I’m not here to debate the finer points of Christianity.”

          Yes–I know. I can see that you don’t want to debate these matters, and that’s fine. But it’s also clear that you just want to make your negative thoughts and opinions known–about God and people of faith–and to be left alone about it.

          What, do you think that you should be able to freely share such negative things, about God and people of faith, without anyone noticing or responding to your unkind remarks? It doesn’t work that way.

          Fine, you don’t need to debate a thing about Christianity. But in all fairness, you need to be willing to read feedback from others concerning some of your rude remarks, about God and people of faith.

          And if you don’t think that you’ve made rude remarks–yes, you have!

          Reread comments you made over the weeks, and months, that you’ve been posting here, and your rude comments will become quite clear to you. Otherwise you will only continue making enemies with those that would rather be on friendly terms with you. And you don’t have to be bff with Christians here, but stop with the snide and ugly remarks. They lower morale.

          Are you a team player? I hope so.

          Take care.

        • Jerry says

          March 27, 2016 at 12:27 am

          Dear Champ,

          I suggest that you are not a “team player,” by exploiting a minor point in my post. You are the one that is off topic and diverting away from the important issue of islam. I don’t want to debate Christianity in detail because it would be pooping on Mr. Spencer’s blog. You could have focused on my larger good intentions and let that innocuous quote go, but no, you gotta put your over-sized feelings before everything else. Nobody attacked your faith, that quote is an honest, historically accurate assessment of religion’s corrupting effects on the mind and morality of man. But you just had to grab your shiny little cross and go at it.

          And as far as all those “rude” remarks, I hope I at least offended the right people. Most likely it wasn’t due to “rudeness,” just frank honesty. A subtle difference worth noting.

          Now please, be a team member and focus on the important issues. No more picking fights with well-intention allies for no good reason. That’s it, I’m off to bed for real this time. Don’t lay up all night hating me, I’m not worth it. 😉

        • Champ says

          March 27, 2016 at 12:43 am

          Jerry wrote:

          Nobody attacked your faith, that quote is an honest, historically accurate assessment of religion’s corrupting effects on the mind and morality of man. But you just had to grab your shiny little cross and go at it.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Ok, since Jerry is off to bed, I do need to add one more thing, and that’s that Jerry has been making snide remarks about God and people of faith for quite some time–as Davegreybeard also noted.

          This one comment certainly wouldn’t cause either Dave, or I, to step in and finally speak up. Jerry has been making snide remarks, not just today, but for months now. Jerry knows this, and I even mentioned the pattern in my comment, but he pretending not to notice, it seems.

          And yes, I am a team player, since even though I make a point of sharing my faith, I am deliberate not to make snide remarks about atheists or agnostics. I don’t know how Jerry would like if I did, but I can’t imagine him sitting idly by for very long without eventually saying something.

          As far as being off-topic, it is Jerry who does the same. He is no better than I. We are *both* guilty of this. Odd that he only sees it in me, and not in himself.

          Jerry would be wise to listen to Davegreybeard, who’s a very beloved friend to many of us here. It would be great to be able to call Jerry a friend, too, if he’ll let us.

        • linnte says

          March 27, 2016 at 1:48 am

          Even me the Pagan can see that Christianity is really the only hope for Muslims. It is critical that we stand together! Not hearing many of Jerry’s posts, I cannot agree or disagree with you, but we are in this fight together. I believe conquering Islam is the most important issue that faces humanity today. And most people are oblivious! We all deserve a Pat on the back! And God bless us everyone😀

        • Champ says

          March 27, 2016 at 3:36 am

          Jerry wrote:

          I suggest that you are not a “team player,” by exploiting a minor point in my post. You are the one that is off topic and diverting away from the important issue of islam.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          I did not “exploit” anything here. I merely responded to what Jerry had written, and I stayed completely on point. Jerry is grossly misrepresenting me further, by claiming that I went “off-topic” and that I was “diverting away from the important issue of islam.” Not true.

          All a person has to do is read what I wrote to Jerry, for themselves, it’s all right there in black ‘n white in my above comment: “Champ says
          March 26, 2016 at 7:50 pm”

          My response was very thoughtful and on point, and in reponse to a quote Jerry had offered, and I offered one of my own, in return. I saw his *quote* as an opportunity to remind readers that Christianity *is* a good thing, and NOT, “an insult to human dignity”, as his quote stated.

          The specific quote: “Religion is an insult to human dignity”, so of course that includes Christianity. And that’s when I saw another opportunity to mention Robert’s book, “Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn’t”, and doing so was completely on topic, and about islam, too.

          But Jerry is grossly misrepresenting my intentions by claiming that I was “exploiting” what he wrote, when nothing could be further from the truth. And I don’t know why he’s exaggerating here, since what I wrote is right there for *all* to see for themselves.

          More from Jerry:

          I don’t want to debate Christianity in detail because it would be pooping on Mr. Spencer’s blog. You could have focused on my larger good intentions and let that innocuous quote go, but no, you gotta put your over-sized feelings before everything else.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Ok–here we have just more exaggerating on Jerry’s part. I don’t have “over-sized feelings”, and I think he’s going for maximum effect, or something. I was merely responding to his comment. Again, read it for yourself, and you will see how calm and mature I was, and no “over-sized feelings” were put on display. So if you’re hoping for some drama from me (dear reader), then you will be very disappointed. My initial response was actually very simple and straightforward. No “over-sized feelings”. Sorry.

          Jerry wrote:

          Nobody attacked your faith, that quote is an honest, historically accurate assessment of religion’s corrupting effects on the mind and morality of man.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Ok, again, notice how I initially responded to Jerry. I never even stated that he was “attacking my faith”. I merely offered a counter point of view, to his point of view. Simple. Straightforward. Boring, really. But I *never* stated, hey you’re “attacking my faith.” Again, these are Jerry’s words, not mine, and once again, Jerry is twisting what I wrote. That said, lets see if the quote was putting my Christian faith in a bad light, and yes, it was–here’s the quote: “Religion is an insult to human dignity”; so as you dear reader can see, this quote would include Christianity, and it claims that my faith is an “insult to human dignity”, I disagree! Is this an attack? Well, I never stated that is was, Jerry did. You decide, is this an attack? At the very least it’s a huge insult. And Jerry KNOWS this.

          Secondly, Jerry is offering a quote that is someone else’s opinion, just as the quote I offered was, as well. Here, Jerry is making a preposterous claim that the quote is an …”honest, historically accurate assessment of religion’s corrupting effects on the mind and morality of man.”

          When this is merely Jerry’s opinion. Period. And I don’t share Jerry’s opinion, so we will simply have to agree to disagree. End of story.

          Last gem from Jerry:

          “But you just had to grab your shiny little cross and go at it.”

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Now this is an interesting insult aimed at me. Not sure what to make of it, but it’s one of the “rude remarks” that I was referring to.

          Lastly, I don’t hate Jerry. Not at all!

          But I do hate evil …

          “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

          Take aim at the real enemy: islam!

        • Kepha says

          March 27, 2016 at 1:22 pm

          A smart sixth grader…

          Jerry, on behalf of public school social studies teachers (my profession) all over America, let me apologize for the rotten [mis-]education we’ve given you, and are continuing to give to people younger than you.

          It is clear that we’ve given you a lousy education because you think there’s a generic thing “religion” rather than Christianity, Islam, Daosim, Evolutionary Materialism….

    • Jerry says

      March 27, 2016 at 8:22 am

      Champ wrote:
      Ok, since Jerry is off to bed, I do need to add one more thing, and that’s that Jerry has been making snide remarks about God and people of faith for quite some time–as Davegreybeard also noted.
      ————————–
      I’ve learned from experience that a “snide” remark to an ignorant religious person usually means the truth they don’t want to hear. But I confess, I do harbor contempt for religion and the sheeple that follow it. I’ve seen what those delusions have done to my own family and people I know. It makes them stupid when they think they’re smart, it makes dimwits when they think they’re wise. I’ve never seen so many people claim to be smart for stupidity outside of religion. Too often they’re the first to judge and the last to forgive. They criticize the religious delusions of others as evil, but totally excuse their own. They tend to bigoted, spiritually inept, and arrogant with their superstition above rational thinking. And that’s at a minimum, at most they’re killers, rapists, and torturers, for unreasoned beliefs and a god that may or may not exist.

      So ya got me, all those years of debating, arguing, and posting about religion has come flooding back to me. Probably 15k posts have I spit out against religion’s idiocy and painful consequences for humanity. You won’t understand this, but I find it to be a source of pride that I have. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you want to find god then get rid of religion. If god is a god of truth then She won’t be found in fables, lies, and bigotry. To me you are a lesser version of the jihadists, unjustly attacking my good intentions over something that wasn’t worth a second glance, just so you can defend your fragile, unreasoned beliefs. Your religion has taught you well. Good day.

  13. Babs says

    March 26, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    And yet, during my last visit to Israel when I was shopping at the market before the sabbath, Arab (presumably muslim) stallholders wished me and other customers a peaceful sabbath.

  14. Davegreybeard says

    March 26, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    @Jerry
    “But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

    Oh horse shit, Jerry!

    It is NOT religion in general that is the problem, it is THIS PARTICULAR RELIGION that is the problem.

    Stalin, Mao, Hitler and a thousand other brutal mass murderers needed no “religion” to fuel their sanguinary escapades.

    When you claim that it is “religion” that’s the problem, all you do is obfuscate the issue and give free rein to the Christian bashing bigots – and we have a plague of them these days.

    When you make this claim, you Jerry, become part of the problem.

    • Jerry says

      March 26, 2016 at 7:57 pm

      I reject all forms of evil when I recognize them, whether atheist, religious, or anything in between. My quote does not mean to say that religion is the sole cause of immorality and crime in the world. But it’s certainly true as it pertains to religion’s ability to compel bad acts from good people. I was simply sharing my thoughts at that moment and that quote seemed relevant to the sentiment I was trying to express. And that is, that islam is certainly an ideology that is compelling bad acts from otherwise good people. I see nothing revolutionary about that claim. Sorry if you find that offensive, perhaps you are still in that infantile stage where imaginary spirit-beings and saviors still exist. Maybe I should be more sensitive to the feelings of those on lower branches of the learning tree. No more peeing truth on those who can’t handle it. Have a wonderful night, and say a prayer for me–kiss kiss.

      Atheists have rights too, don’t poop on my beliefs with your childish hurt feelings.

      • Davegreybeard says

        March 26, 2016 at 10:45 pm

        @Jerry
        “…islam is certainly an ideology that is compelling bad acts from otherwise good people.”

        Absolutely correct Jerry, all of us here agree on this.

        So why is it that you feel the need to snipe at our Christian allies?

        “Maybe I should be more sensitive to the feelings of those on lower branches of the learning tree.”

        Yes Jerry, you should – but you aren’t.

        You, in your insufferable arrogance, must always denigrate those you deem of inferior intellect – it is a serious and very obnoxious character flaw you have Jerry, and it is very detrimental to the war that we are fighting.

        We desperately need our Christian brothers if we are to win this fight, Jerry and here you are with your insulting imperiousness driving wedges in the alliance – why is that?

        No one says you have to agree with them or believe what they believe.

        THEY ARE ON OUR SIDE, JERRY!

        And they will NEVER threaten your precious beliefs, or your freedom to speak your foolishness to whomever will listen to it.

        So how about a little courtesy and consideration for our Christian brothers and sisters, Jerry?

        They should be welcomed and encouraged if this fight and not discouraged or insulted – is this beyond your capability?

        • Jerry says

          March 26, 2016 at 11:26 pm

          I got a hot tip for you, if you don’t want crassness then don’t be crass. You had the bad form to tell me I’m “part of the problem” and that I’m obfuscating the issue for Christian bashing bigots. Admittedly I’ve been the cause of many problems in life, but I deeply resent the implication I’m part of the problem of islamic terror and murder. Deeply offensive. You had the low-life balls to totally twist the spirit of my post so you can grandstand at my expense. I don’t think any fair minded person would ever construe my post as anything other than a bold attack against the insanity of islam. But you with all your hypersensitivity about your own delusional attachments couldn’t resist seeing the worst in my good intentions. And I resent your call for “courtesy and consideration for our Christian brothers and sisters,” as if to suggest I’m Christian bashing with that one quote. That quote does not mean that all religions or religious people are doing evil, it only highlights the undeniable truth of religion’s capacity for moral and intellectual corruption. What do you want, some kind of list to prove the point? History is rife with examples.

          I suggest if you are that offended by an honest, tangential observation about religion then it is you that are “part of the problem.” You are on the wrong side of reason, you prefer religious dogma over truth. And as history has shown, that’s the black seed of bigotry, hate, and murder. Wow, you really are part of the problem.

          (I guess this means we can’t be friends. lol)

        • Champ says

          March 27, 2016 at 12:28 am

          Jerry, Davegreybeard is not a professing Christian. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, Davegreybeard is agnostic (Dave, please correct me if I’m wrong), so he would have no desire to “pray” for you, as you stated.

          Davegreybeard understands, what you do not, and he is a *fierce* defender of his Christian friends, even though he is not a professing Christian himself.

          You *really* ought to think about what Dave is saying and take it to heart.

          Time is too short–life is too short–to make enemies with those whom would not wish you *any* harm. What’s the worst thing a Christian might do to you? Yell at you? Maybe hit you over the head with a Bible? Big whoop. They won’t kill you because Jesus told them to, that’s for sure.

          Pick your battles more wisely and *listen* to what Davegreybeard is telling you. My 2 cents, for what it’s worth …

        • Champ says

          March 27, 2016 at 12:32 am

          ps …

          Oh, one last thought, Jerry.

          It’s my hope that you, too, will become like Davegreybeard and join him in being a *fierce* defender of Christians, as well. Please think it over. Take care.

        • Jay Boo says

          March 27, 2016 at 1:22 am

          That first comment of Jerry’s could be viewed as — ” one ancillary remark”

          However, Jerry went on to take a shot at Christianity’s celebration of Easter.
          I suspect that the word Easter in the article’s heading trigger an atheistic smarti-pants impulse to get two for one.

          BTW David Wood used to be an atheist.
          Now he celebrates Easter.

        • Jerry says

          March 27, 2016 at 8:38 am

          Champ:

          BTW David Wood used to be an atheist.
          Now he celebrates Easter.
          ————————–
          Yeah, but he’s brilliant. He knows how to make sense out of nonsense, I don’t.

          And I never attacked Easter. You’re getting extremely aggressive here. Suggestion: Tap into some of that Christian forgiveness, overlook my harmless quote that had good intentions written all over it. Spiritual growth is built on such actions.

          (You’re starting to seem familiar to me. I bet our paths have crossed before)

        • Mirren10 says

          March 27, 2016 at 12:23 pm

          ”Champ:

          BTW David Wood used to be an atheist.
          Now he celebrates Easter.”

          Jerry, it was Jay Boo who said that, *not* Champ.

      • Mark Swan says

        March 27, 2016 at 4:53 am

        Steven Weinberg a theoretical physicist Just Quoted Mark Twain.

        Mark Twain described his mother as a genuinely good person, whose soft heart pitied even Satan, but who had no doubt about the legitimacy of slavery, because in years of living in antebellum Missouri she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God’s will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion

        Mark Twain no big fan of anything was just being His Usual Facetious Self.

        • Jerry says

          March 27, 2016 at 8:59 am

          Yeah, thanks for clarifying that. I read Twain’s scathing book on Christian Science founder, Mary Baker Eddy. Entertaining. Twain knew a scam when he saw one.

        • Dean says

          March 27, 2016 at 12:21 pm

          The persistent claim across MSM and elsewhere is the insistence that religion is a critical source for good. However, every era does have entire cultures doing bad things in the name of their religion. The pre-war anti-slavery movement is also credited to religion. Since most people are raised in a religious culture, it may just be that religion receives unwarranted credit for common cultural evolutionary processes. Communist USSR did bad things as militant atheist but Christians are quick to blame the atheism rather that consider other cultural trends. If the progressive movement hasn’t convinced men that any text and any belief can be twisted to justify irrationality, then they will never wake up to the other cultural and philosophical values responsible. Observe how the Pope finds abundant scripture to support his progressive philosophy while American Christians that find his interpretations disagreeable just argue over the correct interpretation, theirs, of the same text or find a contradictory text. Religion is used to justify, not enlighten man’s choices.

    • Kepha says

      March 27, 2016 at 1:27 pm

      Sorry, Davey. As someone who has met the disciples of Mao and Saloth Sar, those folks also have their axioms by which they live, interpret reality, and from which they reason. And I’m sure their mentors congratulated them for being clear-eyed and thinking for themselves. I’m also old enough to remember people using “the assured results of science” warning us that our heading into a new Ice Age by 2000 or running out of oxygen by 1980, ergo the government really had to step in…

  15. Baucent says

    March 26, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    This is the liberal left’s worst nightmare. They want the scenario whereby a “far right extremist” no doubt influenced by Donald Trump and as backlash over Brussels, murders a muslim shopkeeper. What do they get? A muslim influenced possibly by the Glasgow mosque imam (recently in the news).murders a muslim for giving a Christian greeting. Once again it clearly shows Islam is a problem. While there are many friendly and decent Mr Shah’s equally the religion throws up many religiously motivated cold blooded killers.

  16. Jay Boo says

    March 26, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    I am anxiously awaiting to hear BBC radio do a special report condemning religious intolerance over this.

    Any day now.

  17. desidude2 says

    March 26, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    Didn’t take long for the death squad of allah to exact the ultimate revenge on a fellow moderate muslim who only wanted to integrate and assimilate to a tiny extant to his christian country.

  18. gravenimage says

    March 26, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    UK: Muslim wishes Christians happy Easter, is murdered by other Muslim in “religiously prejudiced” attack
    ………………..

    Asad Shah acted like a decent human being to the ‘filthy Infidels’–of course he had to die.

    God, I hate Islam.

  19. Davegreybeard says

    March 26, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @Jerry
    “And I resent your call for “courtesy and consideration for our Christian brothers and sisters,”

    Of course you do, it was the whole point of my reply to you.

    You managed to offend Champ, who is one of the foremost Christians here.

    And in your obnoxious attitude toward her, you continue to offend me.

    And to the extent that you continue to gratuitously insult Christians you are a very big part of the problem.

    So get off your high horse and focus on Islam, it’s the problem, not Christians, they are part of the solution.

      • Davegreybeard says

        March 27, 2016 at 1:45 am

        Thank you Champ, I am pleased and honored to be your friend.

        A group of wise people once advised; seek God as you understand him. This is what I try to do, though I don’t understand him very well.

        • Mark Swan says

          March 27, 2016 at 9:24 pm

          Many different denominations claim to be following Jesus Christ…Yet they teach many different gospels and disagree on countless points of doctrine…Is Jesus Christ the Head of all these Denominations…Is Christ divided….Mankind has twisted Jesus Christ’s teachings so that the religion bearing His name has practically no relationship to what He and the Apostles actually lived…believed…and taught.

          No…Christ is not the One who is confusing Christianity.

          That Is Not GOD

          Satan wants to confuse mankind and blot out the very basic human family relationship—the same relationship on which our destiny is predicated as actual Children of God the FATHER, into whose Family true Christians are destined to be part of. (Galatians 4:5; Ephesians 1:5 ).

          Yes, true Christians will become real sons of the God “kind”—not just some adopted “other kind” . For this is what your Bible really teaches—and is what Satan wants Us to Never Understand.

          For as many as are led by the Spirit of God…these are sons of God…The Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God…and if children…then heirs –
          heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ.”
          (Romans 8:14-17).

          The Bible is the most relevant reading available.

          The Scriptures are addressing only those God is teaching.

          God expects You to listen…He is teaching You…He will not let You believe in Him if You don’t Know Him…the Bible is how he chooses to reveal His mind…don’t be in hurry to understand it…keep reading…keep listening…This is about so very much more than Human reasoning.

          You must be willing before you can be taught.

          He will require You to prove what You think He says is so…here is a way to start understanding.

          READ: Mathew…Mark…Luke…John…Acts…James…1 Peter…2 Peter…1 John…2 John…3 John…Jude…in that order…all of them…straight through…after reading what do You think.

          What effect did this have on You…Powerful…strong…medium…weak…what.

          If it brought You to tears and You fell on Your face…pleading in prayer asking is this You God…or is this just the work of Men…Help me to Know.

          If this Honestly Happens…hold on…You Will Get Your Answer…be prepared to be amazed.

          Now if You actually want to start to understand the Bible…You can.

          I am not going into prophecy…time line…theme…subject matter…rendering…Symbols…nor any of the other facets that must be applied if someone just wants to study the Bible here.

          I am attempting to encourage…someone who does want to actually Understand the Bible.

          Ordinary Humans can be taught by God…extraordinarily taught.

          The Bible is the foundation of Knowledge…the basis on which knowledge is founded.

          Yet there is so much More knowledge…time on earth is prelude to entering the world of God.

          That is where it will get really interesting…That Awesome Universe Is Waiting For God’s Family.

        • Jay Boo says

          March 28, 2016 at 2:10 am

          “Yet they teach many different gospels?”

          Mark
          That makes absolutely no sense the way you wrote that.
          (I think that you are yanking our chain)

          ————-
          “He will require You to prove what You think He says is so …”
          Will this be a written test to prove that one is worthy?

          ————
          “He will not let You believe in Him if You don’t Know Him”
          Sounds a bit like
          Allah will chose to deceive those he choses.\–

          “That Awesome Universe ”
          blah, blah platitudes

        • Jay Boo says

          March 28, 2016 at 2:20 am

          I am curious that not once did you mention the Crucifixion and Resection during your 9:24 pm Easter day TEST of TRUE Christians.

          “Mankind has twisted Jesus Christ’s teachings so that the religion bearing His name has practically no relationship to what He and the Apostles actually lived…believed…and taught.”

          That blanket criticism sounds more like a Muslim saying Christians have corrupted the Bible than a legitimate comment.

        • Mark Swan says

          March 28, 2016 at 7:15 am

          Jay Boo says “That blanket criticism sounds more like a Muslim saying Christians have corrupted the Bible than a legitimate comment.”

          THE BIBLE CANNOT BE CORRUPTED…THAT’S THE POINT…MEN CAN BE WRONG!

          I know I have Been Wrong More Than I Like To Admit…But I Do Admit It.

        • Mark Swan says

          March 30, 2016 at 4:06 am

          Now…Jay Boo…since you say you are curious.

          Let me answer why I wrote the above…first of all I could have took
          more time and chose some words better…but I know what I wrote was not to
          You…it was addressing what preceded and I felt I wanted to say about it.

          While I do welcome critique…You reveal a very shallow and insincere character.

      • Simone Fields says

        March 27, 2016 at 11:41 am

        I can’t believe what a pack of bullies they are. How dare they? Totally condescending towards a perfectly reasonable post. Champ puts me off reading JW.

        • Mirren10 says

          March 27, 2016 at 12:28 pm

          ”Champ puts me off reading JW.”

          Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out.

          Neither Champ or Davegreybeard are ‘bullies.’ Champ was defending her religion, as she has a perfect right to do, and Dave was defending Champ, whilst pointing out Christians are our **allies** against the most evil religion in the world today, vile islam.

        • gravenimage says

          March 27, 2016 at 1:59 pm

          Simone Fields wrote:

          …Champ puts me off reading JW.

          Reply
          …………………………..

          Really? Even if you don’t personally like Champ (or Davegreybeard) or their comments, you are actually put off from reading Jihad Watch by *their* posts, but not by those who would murder a shop keeper for wishing someone a Happy Easter?

          While I personally consider both of these posters friends, there are of course some posters here I whose comments I consider less useful.

          But this does not put me off from reading and contributing here.

          I consider opposing Jihad the greatest fight of our times, and we all are–or should be–allies in that fight.

        • Champ says

          March 27, 2016 at 4:31 pm

          Thank you, Mirren10 and Graven!

          Mirren10 wrote:

          Neither Champ or Davegreybeard are ‘bullies.’ Champ was defending her religion, as she has a perfect right to do, and Dave was defending Champ, whilst pointing out Christians are our **allies** against the most evil religion in the world today, vile islam.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Yes–that’s exactly what I was doing. Thank you for stating the truth. A refreshing change from the nonsense that Jerry and Simone have expressed.

          Graven wrote:

          Really? Even if you don’t personally like Champ (or Davegreybeard) or their comments, you are actually put off from reading Jihad Watch by *their* posts, but not by those who would murder a shop keeper for wishing someone a Happy Easter?

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Great point, Graven. And I would add that I didn’t resort to personal insults towards Jerry, at all, like he did toward me. I chose to defend my faith and myself due to Jerry’s rude remarks–which he takes apparent pride in. Odd that Simone doesn’t take issue which Jerry’s rude and overbearing remarks.

        • Champ says

          March 27, 2016 at 4:55 pm

          Simone Fields wrote:

          I can’t believe what a pack of bullies they are. How dare they? Totally condescending towards a perfectly reasonable post. Champ puts me off reading JW.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          This is an open forum and anyone is free to respond to what others write.

          Simone makes an erroneous offering by stating what a “pack of bullies” we are. And in order, for instance, for wolves to work as a pack, then there’s a coordinated effort at play.

          My point, that there is no coordinated effort as a “pack of bullies” in any responses to Jerry, so Simone is grossly exaggerating how things work here.

          In fact, none of us work in packs, but each of us, as individulas, responding to what someone else writes. Plain and simple.

          And the fact that more than one person responded to Jerry only demonstrates this fact.

          We are all free to respond to what someone else writes, and of course Simone is entitled to his opinion, but he doesn’t get to exaggerate.

      • Mirren10 says

        March 27, 2016 at 12:39 pm

        Jerry says;

        ”That quote does not mean that all religions or religious people are doing evil, it only highlights the undeniable truth of religion’s capacity for moral and intellectual corruption.”

        With the exception of islam, I can’t think of any other religion that illustrates a ‘capacity for moral and intellectual corruption’.

        ”Undeniable truth” ? No. Just your opinion. I would rather say that **human beings** in general have a capacity for moral and intellectual corruption. But the only religion today, that takes that capacity for moral and intellectual corruption and translates it into murderous, supremacist intent and *action*, is islam. Because that’s what it’s tenets **teach**.

        • Jerry says

          March 27, 2016 at 2:21 pm

          Mirren10:
          With the exception of islam, I can’t think of any other religion that illustrates a ‘capacity for moral and intellectual corruption’.
          ———————–
          Creepy, as I read that I experienced flashes of men and women burning on crosses, in torture cells, and in prison, for challenging Christianity’s status quo. Christ said love your enemies, but Christians tortured and murdered thousands who tried to bring the light of reason into the world. That doctrine of delusion fostered a doctrine of hate for anyone that questioned those delusions. And the result was one the worst “moral and intellectual corruptions” in history. Any questions?

        • Champ says

          March 27, 2016 at 4:35 pm

          Oh, but Jerry isn’t here to “debate” Christianity. No, he’s only here to take shots at Christians and Christianity. That’s very obvious.

        • Mirren10 says

          March 27, 2016 at 5:21 pm

          You know, Jerry, I was inclined to take your posts in a neutral and pacific manner.

          However, since you have decided to engage me, I will reciprocate.

          Your reply to my post evinces all the typical deflections, non sequitors, and sheer stupidities I have come to expect from those unfortunates who have been ‘educated’ since

          p

          the silly Sixties. You and your ilk have absolutely *no* idea

          of how to argue, debate, discuss, on a logical, factual level.

          This, I suppose, isn’t really your fault; no, hang on, it *is* !

          You see, Jerry, I believe human beings are not only responsible for what they do, but are also responsible for their reactions to what they * do* . Yes, Jerry, I believe human beings are impregenated with the concepts of the Tau, the Natural Law.

          Your examples of Christians torturing and murdering, and imprisoning ‘heretics’, are certainly historically true. I don’t believe there is a Christian anywhere, and certainly not on this blog, including Champ, who would deny those facts.

          But, in your excoriation of Christianity, you fail to factor in the **undeniable** fact, that Christian tenets declare such actions, utterly abhorrent, and totally against the commands, and example, of the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ.

          Equally, you fail to acknowledge the immensely *good* things that Christianity, and its modes of thought, have brought to this world. I coukd write screeds on this, but for now, will only mention religious art, Christian cathedrals and churches, poetry, soaring religious music, et al. It is also true that Christianity is not the *only* religion that has enriched the world in these ways. The sole exception is islam, which has created and originated *nothing*, but blood, misery, and destruction.

          One further point; it was the actions of Christian Evangelicals that were foremost in a) banning the Triangular Trade, and b) banning the slave trade itself.

          There have never been any muslim Wilberforce’s.

          It seems to me, Jerry, that your animus towards Christianity far

        • Mirren10 says

          March 27, 2016 at 5:31 pm

          Blast. I’m on a tablet, and it frequently takes it’s head between its teeth and does whatever it likes ! :)

          I meant to finish by saying, Jerry, your animus against Christianity far outweighs your animus against *islam*. Why is that ?

          Any questions ? Or perhaps more pertinently, any answers?

          By the way, before you rush in to say I’m a Christian rushing to defend my friend, I’m an agnostic, as Champ herself would be the first to acknowledge.

      • Jay Boo says

        March 27, 2016 at 4:38 pm

        Jerry said,
        “LOL. Why don’t you two just get married and get it over with. haha!”

        So much for Jerry’s grand pretense at civility.

        • Champ says

          March 27, 2016 at 4:41 pm

          True, Jay Boo. And with each comment Jerry reveals his true colors, and they aren’t pretty.

  20. Ren says

    March 27, 2016 at 1:48 am

    There certainly are peaceful muslims just like Asad Shah, but islam is fucking making some muslims utterly mad with its teaching. Death to islam.

  21. Charli Main says

    March 27, 2016 at 3:21 am

    This unfortunate man did not only commit the sin of using a Christian greeting, he committed the sin of all sins, by acknowledging that Scotland WAS A CHRISTIAN LAND AND NOT A PART OF DAR AL ISLAM.

    • Yokel says

      March 27, 2016 at 6:54 am

      AND he was AHMADI, which means in the Sunni mindset he was Apostate. All schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that there is only one punishment for Apostacy, and that is death. They only disagree on how long you give the condemned man to recant.

  22. Dean says

    March 27, 2016 at 3:33 am

    How ignorant are moderate Muslims about their religion and their Muslim neighbors? Evidently from the usual silence, most are aware although they deny it.

  23. SoCalMike says

    March 27, 2016 at 4:24 am

    The murder victim is the precise type of Muslim we should be seeking to align with and cultivate as allies.

    A whole lot of Muslims don’t want to live under the thumb and heal of jihadis.

    Those are our natural allies.

    If one peruses the Pew opinion numbers one can easily see there is not a tiny minority of extremists who have hijacked Islam but there is also not a tiny minority who don’t agree with the jihadis and supremacists.

    We need to focus on that.

    Call me naive but I’m not so sure.

    Those are our natural allies.

    Maybe half of the Muslim world.
    Maybe even a little more than half.

    They may not have theological standing but they certainly have cultural standing for what I’m suggesting.
    I don’t buy the line about ALL MUSLIMS….

    • ECAW says

      March 27, 2016 at 7:26 am

      No, not all Muslims…but Mohammed and Allah, certainly.

      Seems to me that the hardliners have the stronger hand theologically and also because of the ruthlessness with which they impose their will on the rest and which, of course, they get from the example of Mohammed.

    • linnte says

      March 27, 2016 at 1:40 pm

      Jihadis have “hijacked Islam”? Mike, have you READ the Qur’an, Hadith and anything on Sharia Law? ISIS, Wahhabism, Hamas, all those groups follow the Qur’an to the letter- THATS THE HOLE FRIKKING PROBLEM! The Muslim people who aren’t following the Qur’an are a HUGE problem because they refuse to admit that they ARE NOT following the Qur’an! There in lies the problem. And that problem could be fixed if they just got the balls to reject PUBLICLY and follow through with changing the Qur’an. But they can’t. If I were a Christian I would not have the audacity to change the New Testament either. So they are stuck. Very sad.

  24. steve says

    March 27, 2016 at 9:29 am

    The Islam appeasing British government must have been praying that the killer was a white,right wing lunatic. Now, they and their snivelling B.B.C. Muslim sycophants have to invent the scenario that drove a ‘fine’, ‘upstanding’, ‘well integrated’ follower of the religion of peace to kill, Children in this Muslim blighted country cannot legally buy knives, perhaps this prohibition should be extended include Muslims.

  25. chrisH says

    March 27, 2016 at 11:44 am

    Suppose there`s no chance of a #Je suis Ahmadi hashtag taking off is there?
    Imagine if only a few hundred Muslims would walk out of their faith, and become Ahmadiyya?
    For-as our ROPists continue to quote from the Koran “There is no compulsion in religion”.
    Hope to see a few in Morden next weekend-and, if not, may a few white Christians become known that they`ll not stand by and let Ahmadiyya become needless sacrificail lams like the Baha`i
    And if the Churches bottle it-and prefer the syncretic satanic Chrislam instead-then all that Jesus said this last Holy Week in the Gospels will seal their fates.

  26. sham says

    March 27, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    PROTECTION OF NON MUSLIM ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MUSLIM:

    9: 6. And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur’ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
    7. How can there be a covenant with Allah and with His Messenger for the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) except those with whom you made a covenant near Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makah)? So long, as they are true to you, stand you true to them. Verily, Allah loves Al-Muttaqûn
    Dawud :: Book 19 : Hadith 2955
    Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
    A son of Adi ibn Adi al-Kindi said that Umar ibn AbdulAziz wrote (to his governors): If anyone asks about the places where spoils (fay’) should be spent, that should be done in accordance with the decision made by Umar ibn al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him). The believers considered him to be just, according to the saying of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Allah has placed truth upon Umar’s tongue and heart. He fixed stipends for Muslims, and provided protection for the people of other religions by levying jizyah (poll-tax) on them, deducting no fifth from it, nor taking it as booty.
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 287
    Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:
    Umar (after he was stabbed), instructed (his would-be-successor) saying, “I urge him (i.e. the new Caliph) to take care of those non-Muslims who are under the protection of Allah and His Apostle in that he should observe the convention agreed upon with them, and fight on their behalf (to secure their safety) and he should not over-tax them beyond their capability
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 49
    Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr:
    The Prophet said, “Whoever killed a Mu’ahid (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling).”
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 53 :: Hadith 404
    25: 63. And the slaves of the Most Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness.
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6219
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6215
    This hadith has been narrated on the authority of A’mash with the same chain of transmitters (and the words are):” Don’t sever relations of kinship, don’t bear enmity against one another, don’t bear aversion against one another and don’t feel envy against the other and live as fellow-brothers as Allah has commanded you.
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6214 ,6216
    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Avoid suspicion[doubt, guessing], for suspicion is the gravest lie in talk and do not be inquisitive about one another and do not spy upon one another and do not feel envy with the other, and nurse no malice, and nurse no aversion and hostility against one another. And be fellow-brothers and servants of Allah.
    Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 4885
    Narrated AbuHurayrah:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Avoid envy, for envy devours good deeds just as fire devours fuel or (he said) “grass.”
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 473,474
    Narrated Jarir bin ‘Abdullah:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind.”
    Muslim: Book 31 : Hadith 6097
    PUBLIC PEOPLE(MUSLIM/NON MUSLIM) BLOOD & PROPERTIES, WERE HONORS AND PROTECTED/SACRED LIKE MECCA:

    4: 148. Allah does not like that the evil should be uttered in public except by him who has been wronged. And Allah is Ever All Hearer, All Knower.
    17: 70. And indeed We have honoured the Children of Adam, and We have carried them on land and sea, and have provided them with At-Taiyibât (lawful good things), and have preferred them above many of those whom We have created with a marked preference.
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 67,105
    Narrated Abu Bakra:
    The Prophet said. No doubt your blood, property, the sub-narrator Muhammad thought that Abu Bakra had also mentioned and your honor (chastity), are sacred to one another as is the sanctity of this day of yours in this month of yours. It is incumbent on those who are present to inform those who are absent.” (Muhammad the Subnarrator used to say, “Allah’s Apostle told the truth.”) The Prophet repeated twice: “No doubt! Haven’t I conveyed Allah’s message to you.
    OPPRESSION AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE PROHIBITED:

    7: 33. Say, “My Lord has only forbidden immoralities – what is apparent
    of them and what is concealed – and sin, and oppression
    Without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which
    He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know.”
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6246
    Abu Dharr reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, said: My servants, I have made oppression unlawful for Me and unlawful for you, so do not commit oppression against one another. My servants, all of you are liable to err except one whom I guide on the right path, so seek right guidance from Me so that I should direct you to the right path………
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 629
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “Whoever has oppressed another person concerning his reputation or anything else, he should beg him to forgive him before the Day of Resurrection when there will be no money (to compensate for wrong deeds), but if he has good deeds, those good deeds will be taken from him according to his oppression which he has done, and if he has no good deeds, the sins of the oppressed person will be loaded on him.”
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 627
    Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
    The Prophet said, “Oppression will be a darkness on the Day of Resurrection.”

    • Kepha says

      March 27, 2016 at 1:32 pm

      Thank you, Sham, but we do not need the protection of your ugly, thieving, murdering, raping protection racket that masquerades as a “religion”..

      The oppression Islam has unleashed on the world will be a darkness on the Day of Resurrection.

      And, on this day, let me remind you that Jesus really was crucified as the penalty for OUR sins; and on the third day (the Sunday we are commemorating now) he rose, body and soul from the dead. He sits, body and soul, in Heaven, ruling all nations. In the meantime, Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Abu Talib awaits Jesus’ summoning him from the grave to be judged.

    • linnte says

      March 27, 2016 at 1:58 pm

      Mr. False, as long as there is only ONE passage in your Qur’an that says “Kill the unbelievers”, those words turn every single Quranic verse you have quoted in ALL your posts, into lies.

      Also, I have no need for the protection of your EVIL Allah or your paedophile prophet Muhammad, may I shit on his grave, because I have a 38 caliber bullet with Muslim written on it!

    • gravenimage says

      March 27, 2016 at 2:16 pm

      More of the same spam–he only has a few cut-and-paste posts–from the meretricious sham:

      PROTECTION OF NON MUSLIM ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MUSLIM:

      9: 6. And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur’ân)
      ……………………………

      This is only “protection” for Infidels converting to Islam, as the passage makes clear.

      More:

      Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
      A son of Adi ibn Adi al-Kindi said that Umar ibn AbdulAziz wrote (to his governors): If anyone asks about the places where spoils (fay’) should be spent…
      ……………………………

      This is not protection–this confirms that Muslims may, as they see it, rob Infidels and dispose of the spoils–which include enslaved Infidels–as they see fit.

      More:

      He fixed stipends for Muslims, and provided protection for the people of other religions by levying jizyah (poll-tax) on them, deducting no fifth from it, nor taking it as booty.
      ……………………………

      This confirms that any non-Muslims who fall into Muslim power are compelled to pay the crushing and humiliating Jizya. The last just warns Muslims not to steal what they have stolen from Infidels from each other.

      More:

      4: 148. Allah does not like that the evil should be uttered in public except by him who has been wronged.
      ……………………………

      This is warning Infidels like ourselves not to condemn Jihad savagery. *Ugh*.

      More:

      17: 70. And indeed We have honoured the Children of Adam, and We have carried them on land and sea, and have provided them with At-Taiyibât (lawful good things)
      ……………………………

      Of course, those “lawful good things” include spoils stolen from Infidels and non-Muslims taken as sex slaves.

      More:

      7: 33. Say, “My Lord has only forbidden immoralities – what is apparent
      of them and what is concealed – and sin, and oppression
      ……………………………

      Of course, robbery, ebslavement, and murder are *not* considered sins by pious Muslims as long as the victims are Infidels.

      More:

      Without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which
      He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know.”
      ……………………………

      This is a threat to Christians, where belief in the Trinity is considered “associating others with Allah”. That he is threatening Christians on Easter–and on a story where his coreligionists murdered a man for daring to with Christians Happy Easter–is particularly appalling.

      • Dean says

        March 27, 2016 at 2:42 pm

        I love those arguments about protecting infidels. If the infidel won’t convert, well for enough money offer him protection from us killing him. That sounds like something coming right out of the Mafia’s protection racket. We don’t want some of our people robbing you or vandalizing your store, so pay us part of your profits and we’ll try to stop it. Muslim Exception Alert…But there still can’t be a guarantee if you do something really insulting like discussing your religion or any other failure to comply with our kind and gentle Sharia Law. Muslims insist that nothing can be taken out of context but then conduct nonstop taggiya campaigns with out of context quotes.

        • Charli Main says

          March 28, 2016 at 3:50 am

          Mafia protection rackets are most probably based on Muslim protection rackets. The Muslims invaded and occupied Sicily for some 300 years and ” protected ” those Sicilians who refused to convert to Islam.
          When the Muslim invaders were kicked out by the Normans, Muslim protection rackets morphed into Mafia protection rackets.

        • Jay Boo says

          March 28, 2016 at 10:25 am

          Sham, should rememner Muhammad worshipped (pagan) deities’

          Sham should be thankful.
          Without sham’s Mushrikûn and kufar what would Islam have left to justify (rationalize) its existence?

    • Karen says

      March 27, 2016 at 7:21 pm

      Sham, do Muslims know that Mohammad was responsible for the deaths of dozens of named individuals? Many of them just said things he didn’t like, so some of the verses you mention above are not too surprising. He was real big on supression of speech – I wonder why! He’s responsible for hundreds of deaths, if you count all the wars he started. I’m really curious about this. I understand that Islam must be very dear to you, but do you ever wonder – why all the blood?

      • Dean says

        March 27, 2016 at 8:15 pm

        Muhammad is the ideal man and Isis is the present day embodiment of his life. Fundamental Muslims accept that proposition without question, moderate Muslim Americans don’t want to think about it and the few reformist Muslims reject political and ideological Islam, as well as the Prophet’s example. What is left if they are reformist I can’t understand since I am not Muslim. Does anyone have the details of a report I saw around the time Obama infamously said that Isis is not Islamic. It reported a lengthy poll taken of Saudis in 2 questions. Is Isis consistent with the Koran and are they consistent with Sharia Law. The yes response to both questions was around 85%. Obama needs to lecture them that Isis isn’t Islamic. Saudi’s problem with Isis is just 2 dogs fighting for the same bitch.

  27. Geppetto says

    March 27, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    And it remains a mystery why the so called moderate Muslims do not publicly condemn Islamists and Islamism?

    • Dean says

      March 27, 2016 at 4:26 pm

      Most moderate Muslims are not as naïve about the reaction of their fellow Muslims as this unfortunate man. It is extremely difficult to speak out when you are condemned, or worse, as an apostate in the culture in which you reside. However, the surrounding society of non-Muslims are of no assistance or comfort when they are unwilling to challenge political and ideological Islam. The widespread fear of offending Muslims with such criticism further isolates the moderates that might feel more comfortable with some outspoken allies. Political correctness and group identity politics are left wing gifts that just keep on giving. The popular belief that we can moderate more moderates by only speaking nice is seriously flawed. By speaking out persistently against political and ideological Islam, we would be helping the moderates and swaying more of them.

  28. Davegreybeard says

    March 27, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    @Jerry
    “Christ said love your enemies, but Christians tortured and murdered thousands who tried to bring the light of reason into the world. That doctrine of delusion fostered a doctrine of hate for anyone that questioned those delusions.”

    Quite so Jerry, at least it fostered a doctrine of hate in THOSE WHO CORRUPTED THE ORIGINAL TEACHINGS.

    But eventually, the majority, who correctly understood the teachings and lived by them, rebuked, corrected and chastised their errant brothers. This was only possible because a reasonable person could read the teachings, and correctly understand that murder, torture, et al, were not approved.

    So here you come, in your arrogance and your sophistry, and indict all of Christianity for crimes committed hundreds of years ago, by people who were not proper Christians!

    Doesn’t really make sense does it?

    But in your case it doesn’t have to make sense, because what you’re really interested in is an excuse to bash Christians.

    As you so eloquently put it, “peeing truth” “on those who can’t handle it”

    It’s a nasty habit you’ve got Jerry, and it is detrimental to the efforts of those of us fighting Islam – YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

    So if you REALLY mean this:
    “I deeply resent the implication I’m part of the problem of islamic terror and murder. Deeply offensive.”

    Correct your behavior.

    • Champ says

      March 27, 2016 at 4:38 pm

      Hear, hear, Davegreybeard. Great comment, and all true. Jerry could learn at thing, or two, from your offering.

  29. Dean says

    March 27, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    Here we go again. who are the proper Christians just like who are the proper Muslims? The overwhelming number of Muslims are not actually perpetrating the violence personally so maybe Obama is right that the bad ones aren’t Islamic. He is not right but you are making his argument for him. The long history of Christianity is full of “improper” Christians misunderstanding and misapplying Christian text as this argument goes but the long history of Muslim atrocities proves any other interpretation is improper. Those of you who are so hung up on making this a religious war are playing the same game as the Muslim Jihadists. Give it up. It is just too easy and obviously biased to simply disregard uncomfortable prior interpretations of a religious text as improper interpretations and therefore improper representations of your religion. The overwhelming majority of pre-civil war Christians and their leadership used religion to justify slavery. Obviously you must insist that they didn’t understand the bible and were therefore improper. Today’s conflict is between the cultural evolution in the west that culminated in American culture, and lot of that enlightened development was opposed tooth and nail for centuries by established Christian orthodoxy, versus an ideology and lifestyle codified from 6th century tribal customs and prejudices that is masquerading as a religion. When you make it a religious war, you lose.

      • Dean says

        March 28, 2016 at 1:09 am

        The idiots are setting up a religious war by arguing the merits of a real but extremely reformed religion that has also conformed to an intellectual enlightenment in order to accept cultural evolution that gave birth to man’s most advanced civilization, America. We are now living in a post=American era because of Progressive programs and Conservative cluelessness. Other entries by me in this blog have succinctly disposed of Islamic irrationalities and no further taggiya needs further analysis. Then you degrade this civilization by comparing its popular religious beliefs to a faux religion of savages in order to argue the merits of our own. That is the debate that is happening on these pages as you argue what is a proper or improper understanding of the verses. That will surely stop the onslaught of IslamoNazis. I understand exactly what you are talking about but you can’t fathom a moment of discussing the vital differences between us and them that I discuss. But if does make you feel good because you do have legions of knuckleheads on your side that are also asleep. Beard is clueless.

  30. carpediadem says

    March 28, 2016 at 5:25 am

    This poor man.

    Islam kills benevolence, kills the spirit and kills goodwill.

    Rest in peace, sir, your happy spirit will be remembered with respect.

  31. Angemon says

    March 30, 2016 at 10:41 am

    Police now believe that the killer travelled 200 miles (300 km) to commit the murder. This was not exactly his neighbour across the street who got angry and acted in the heat of the moment upon seeing Asad wishing a happy Easter to Christians.

  32. April Carolyn C. Lavado says

    March 30, 2016 at 11:37 am

    Poor man! The best thing to do is to pray for that person who you think is doing wrong. No offense. I hope you won’t get hurt. Just want to ask. :) Is that your belief muslims? If you think someone is doing evil against you, you will also do evil unto him?

    As christians, God says unto us:

    Matthew 5:44

    44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.

    1 John 4:20

    If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

    He who does not acquire the love of God will scarcely persevere in the grace of God, for it is very difficult to renounce sin merely through fear of chastisement. ~ Poor man! The best thing to do is to pray for that person who you think is doing wrong. No offense. I hope you won’t get hurt. Just want to ask. :) Is that your belief muslims? If you think someone is doing evil against you, you will also do evil unto him?

    As christians, God says unto us:

    Matthew 5:44

    44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.

    1 John 4:20

    If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

    Saint Alphonsus Liguori says:

    He who does not acquire the love of God will scarcely persevere in the grace of God, for it is very difficult to renounce sin merely through fear of chastisement.

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3 Responses to UK: Muslim wishes Christians happy Easter, is murdered by other Muslim in “religiously prejudiced” attack

  1. Anonymous says:

    Only a superstitious idiot keeps personifying a religion.
    Islamophobes just radicalise more Moslems with their irrational fear of Islam – a religion which is not even a living person – to excuse the action done by a person.

    Idiots think they can imprison any religion?

  2. θ says:

    When a person admits he does a violence with motivation of religion, it means:
    (i) he hates his religion because he is supposed to protect the honor of his religion from any hateful accusation.
    (ii) he challenges the court to seek, arrest and penalise his religion (as if it were a person).
    (iii) the court is guilty to have punished the crazy man based on immaterial thing like religion.

    It is principle of universal justice, including in Secularism, that a person’s religion cannot be a reason – other than the real material evidences – to judge or indict a person in the court.

  3. θ says:

    Israel state is example that the Jewish religious-motivated crime, terrorism and violence against Palestinians since 1948 isn’t a reason to outlaw the Tanach (of Jews) or the Gospel (of Pro-Israel Christians).

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