Additional proof that the Word of the prologue of John is a person and not an attribute is given us in Revelation 19

The Rider on the White Horse

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

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9 Responses to Additional proof that the Word of the prologue of John is a person and not an attribute is given us in Revelation 19

  1. Anonymous says:

    No one argue against the fact that Jesus – the Word became flesh – is indeed a person. But he is a person whose words belong to Jehovah.
    Jn 14
    10 The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    It is the words of Jehovah – including Jehovah’s words which Jesus conveys – that frame all things.
    Heb 1
    3 And upholding all things by the word,
    2Pet 3
    7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store,
    Heb 11
    3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    Jesus is a person whose will is suppressed – to be such a will-less person – like a perfect puppet. Jesus can’t exert his will.
    Heb 5
    7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    Jesus can’t do a miracle if Jehovah doesn’t permit him to do so.
    Jn 5
    19 The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do:
    Jesus can’t exert his will against Jehovah’s will.
    Jn 5
    30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

  2. madmanna says:

    “Jesus is a person whose will is suppressed – to be such a will-less person – like a perfect puppet. Jesus can’t exert his will.”

    If the will submits to God’s will it is still an act of the will.

  3. Anonymous says:

    As perfect puppet Jesus never chooses to sin, hence he doesn’t know what it feels to be a repentant, as he hinted but ironically never experiences or feels it:
    Lk 15:7
    I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

  4. Anonymous says:

    If the Word were a person of person, how many persons of Jesus can he share to many men?
    In John 8:31, how are the disciples the incarnation of Jesus?
    Jn 8
    31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

    If Jesus were god, wouldn’t his words have been gods in Jews?
    Jn 8
    37 Because my word hath no place in you.

    How many persons does the Word have in the future, if there is another “one” of the Word that shall judge, but it will be not Jesus himself?
    Jn 12
    47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    Hence, the Word is not 2nd person of a person. The word is just figurative attribute. John 1:1 is not about 2nd person of God.

  5. Anonymous says:

    The Father is not equal to the Son.
    If the Word of the Father could become a person ex-nihilo, why has the word of the Son not become another sentient person with lower divinity? It proves the Son is a Subordinate of God.

  6. madmanna says:

    If the Word of the Father could become a person ex-nihilo, why has the word of the Son not become another sentient person with lower divinity? It proves the Son is a Subordinate of God.

    He didn’t become a person ex-nihilo. He united the impersonal human nature with the self of the Logos. The God who is the Word.

  7. Anonymous says:

    “madmanna says: He didn’t become a person ex-nihilo. He united the impersonal human nature with the self of the Logos. The God who is the Word.”

    Unitarians can’t be convinced with non-existent reference. When did a 2nd person appear distinctive or apart from the 1st person? Who is that the First-begotten anyway, and when did he get begotten?

    Unitarians believe that the Word (just like the Wisdom) is one impersonal attribution of the Father in the beginning, not a 2nd person, that’s why the Bible says “by the word heaven is made”.

    Jesus is created firstly as the First-begotten one, just a mortal person, that’s why Abraham sees his day and is glad, that’s why David sees him and venerates him as his lord. But importantly as a matter of fact that’s why no one ever bids any Latreauo to him, not even Abraham or David.

    Isn’t so weird if Abraham and David had seen their God but they don’t feel a need to render a jot of Latreauo gesture to him?

    Similarly, no one ever bids Latreauo to the Spirit even though he has hovered around since the world began, and appeared to the believers. It proves the Pre-existence doesn’t mean divinity but a Subordination.

  8. θ says:

    Relationship between person and attribute is like the body and hands. The hand severed from the body will simply be no use, decayed and corrupt.
    Jesus uses similar illustration of the vine; “branch can’t bear fruit by itself, unless it remains in the vine” (John 15:4). The source of life resides in the vine. Only with the attribution or attachment to the vine can a branch vitally survive and bear fruit.
    A person is totally independent of attributes, whereas attributes are no use without person. What differentiates a person from humanbeings and other creations is not his nature but his unique person. Essence of existence is not in nature but in the person.

  9. θ says:

    The nature of vine and severed branches is the same. But life lives in the vine only. Severed branches will corrupt.
    The nature of body and hands is the same, but the life just stays in the body, whereas severed hand will decay.

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