The crucifixion of Jesus, fact or fiction, Tony Costa vs a Sheikh

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  1. θ says:

    One could question the real intention of Jesus of fooling, deceiving, and misleading Jews by giving them an untrue sign of the “swooning” Jonas within “3 days and 3 nights” interval. Why does the God of the Trinity use a deception?
    (i) Absolutely different condition:
    Jonas is swooning, but Jesus is dead.

    (ii) Ultimately flawed day-counting:
    Jonas keeps alive for 3 days and 3 nights, but Jesus died in the tomb for just 1 day and 2 nights (Friday evening to Sunday morning).

    (iii) Erroneous Reason:
    Jonas swooned in the whale as punishment for his personal disobedience, but Jesus died because of a “guilty by association”, that is because of Jewish disbelief and disobedience, even of Adam’s original sin.

    (iv) Discrepancy of Aftermath:
    Jonas appears safe and sound to the Ninevite unbelievers for 40 days after having swooned 3 days in the sea, but Jesus is not seen nor heard anymore for 40 days by Jewish unbelievers.

    (v) Afterward:
    After 40 days Assyrian Ninevites turn repenting en-masse upon the preaching of Jonas, but Jews don’t repent after 40 days of crucifixion.

    (vi) Deliverance:
    Jonas’ prayer of deliverance is heard or granted by Jehovah, but Jesus’ tearful prayer of deliverance from his death is not heard by the Father.

    (vii) Deliverer:
    Jonas is saved by Jehovah, and it is due to the prayer, whereas according to Christians Jesus takes up his life back by himself, and not with a prayer.

    (viii) The sign of Jonas is given to Jewish unbelievers in Jerusalem overall, not limited to certain Christian believers.

    In Islam, Swoon Theory is used tactically to prove a fooling and lie, hence it is “sin” of Jesus. It explains why Allah has to “Mutahhiru-ka” (cleansing thou) on Jesus.
    However, Islam has a Decotist belief, as also the Bible. Paul says Satan can assume a body of Angel of light (hence also Jewish Prophets), John says Satan assumes a body of Red Dragon, in Genesis Satan was a subtle talking serpent, even in Ezekiel he was once a cherub.

    In Hadith (Umara, Kitab Bad’ al-Khalq; Jabari, Tarikh al-Umam, et cetera) and Qur’an Q.2, v.102, there’s nearly forgotten story of Solomon’s impersonator – that is, a demon or sorcerer who assumed Solomon’s face so that he fornicated with so many foreign women and worshiped idols in the Temple – until Solomon dethrones him, and exposes to Jews that there are “Two Solomons.” It is a proof that the face’s substitution is known well in Islam.
    Similar story of Two Solomons is mention by Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 68b.

  2. θ says:

    The stance of Islam on Jesus’ crucifixion is commented by one Christian apologist John of Damascus in 7th century, by stating that Qur’an teaches a Decotist type of crucifixion.
    Such a Decotist crucifixion is the effect-less crucifixion. Crucifixion does happen, but not on Jesus, what is crucified is just a shadow (resemblance) of Jesus, hence that crucifixion has no atoning effect whatsoever.
    Interestingly, the effect-less crucifixion is de facto a core belief by Paul, James, and disciples.

    The book of Acts witnessed the jaw-dropping action that makes Jesus’ crucifixion in vain:
    Acts.21:24 says: “…purify thyself with them…that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the Law.”
    Acts 21:26 says: “…until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.”

    Gal 5:4
    Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the Law; ye are fallen from grace.
    Gal 2:21
    I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the Law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    7th century Christian John of Damascus witnesses what the early Moslems believe in the substitution of Christ, by saying on Q.4, v.157, “That they seized his shadow and crucified this.” The narration of crucifixion of Jesus’ likeness is certainly in accordance to the lost Christian sources, the Gospel of Peter and the Apocalypse of Peter.
    //orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx
    And he says that the Jews wanted to crucify Him in violation of the law, and that they seized His shadow and crucified this. But the Christ Himself was not crucified, he says, nor did He die, for God out of His love for Him took Him to Himself into heaven. [104]

    On relation to Islamic rejection of the “Chalcedonian” Christ, John of Damascus also understands that Q.5, v.116 talks about his sonship (related to his mother) and divinity (related to his person).

    Unlike today’s Christian apologists, John of Damascus doesn’t accuse Qur’an of having misunderstood the “membership” of the Trinity, especially on inserting a deification of Mary, but rather John commented the content of Q.5, v.116 over two statuses of Jesus as the Son of God and the God.
    //orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx
    And he says this, that when the Christ had ascended into heaven God asked Him: ‘O Jesus, didst thou say: “I am the Son of God and God”?’ And Jesus, he says, answered: ‘Be merciful to me, Lord. Thou knowest that I did not say this and that I did not scorn to be thy servant. But sinful men have written that I made this statement, and they have lied about me and have fallen into error.’ And God answered and said to Him: ‘I know that thou didst not say this word.” [105]

    As we know, the Chalcedonian Decree is a creed that officially elevated Mary as the Mother of God or Theotokos: “born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood.” Mostly the Reformed churches rejected a part of Theotokos of the creed, by deeming it not scriptural but a catholic thing.

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