Islam is a violence glorifying honour culture that legitimizes the response of violence to perceived non-violent affronts to this honour

In Islam a non-violent honor crime, of which there are thousands of possibilities, justifies a violent response in return. If a non-Muslim “attacks” a Muslim in a non-violent way, for example by saying something negative about him or not greeting him as custom demands , the Muslim is justified in responding by physically attacking the non-Muslim. Islam justifies this and the perfect model for Muslims is Mohammed who had a number of people killed because they insulted him verbally and made him an object of satire.

This is a contradiction of the law of Moses and Jesus. Under this law only a violent physical attack on a human being justifies a violent physical attack in return:

Exodus 21 v  23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Genesis 9 v 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.

6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Mohammed was insulted a number of times and he shed the blood of those who insulted him. He also shed the blood of those who never personally attacked him in any way, whether violently or verbally. He is the perfect model for those who believe in him.

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10 Responses to Islam is a violence glorifying honour culture that legitimizes the response of violence to perceived non-violent affronts to this honour

  1. θ says:

    Jews have a long history of hypocrisy:
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Jewish terrorists bombed, assassinated, and cleansed Arabs prior to 1948?
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Jewish terrorists have expelled Arabs into endless refugee status since 1948?
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Israelis bombed and invaded Arabs in 1967?
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Israelis bombed Egyptians and invaded Egypt’s Sinai and Suez?
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Israelis bombed Lebanese and invaded South Lebanon?
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Israelis bombed Syrians and have invaded Syrian Golan Height til now?
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Israelis killed, bombed, and poisoned Arab leaders?
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Israelis killed Palestinians of West Bank and have continued illegal settlements and blocks in West Bank since 1967?
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Israelis oppressed Palestinians with street checkpoints, embargo, Apartheid wall barriers, and detainment without legal charge?
    Where’s Judaism to condemn when Israelis killed thousands of Palestinians in Gaza with collective punishment?

  2. madmanna says:

    Those who steal or rob land by war should accept to lose it by the same means. Or they should fight a fair and honorable war to take it back, if they claim that God is on their side.

  3. θ says:

    “madmanna says: Those who steal or rob land by war should accept to lose it by the same means.”

    Mostly Arabs regained again their land and win the wars thru diplomacy (Camp David Accord, Oslo Accord, Waqf agreement) and recognition of Palestine State thru the UNGA, UNESCO, and ICC.

  4. madmanna says:

    Parallel is always Jihad, the killing of civilians wherever you find them, obeying the prophet who set a good example in this regard.

  5. θ says:

    Making a Jihad to be adversary of Prophet Muhammad in Afterlife? No way.

    – Forbiddance of killing a secret Moslem:
    Bukhari 9, Book 83, Number 5
    Narrated Al-Miqdad bin ‘Amr Al-Kindi: The Prophet also said to Al-Miqdad, “If a faithful believer conceals his faith (Islam) from the disbelievers, and then when he declares his Islam, you kill
    him, (you will be sinful). Remember that you were also concealing your faith (Islam) at Mecca before.”

    – Forbiddance of killing a dhimmi:
    Abu Dawud, Hadith 3052.
    Allah’s Messenger said: “If anyone wrongs a man with whom a covenant has been made, or curtails any right of his, or imposes on him more than he can bear, or takes anything from him without his ready agreement, I shall be his adversary on the day of resurrection.”

    Bukhari 9, Book 83, Number 49
    Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr: The Prophet said, “Whoever killed a Mu’ahid (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling).”

    – Dark Time of “Forbidden Reason” (to those whom God want to destroy, He makes them first mad).
    Ibn Majah, Book of Trials, Number 3959
    Abu Musa reported: The Messenger of Allah said, “It is not that you will fight the idolaters, but rather you will fight each other until a man kills his neighbor and the son of his mother and his close relatives.” Some of the people said, “O Messenger of Allah, will we be reasonable on that day?” He said, “No, for reason will be removed from most of the people in that era, and the
    remaining people will not have their ability to reason.”

    Bukhari 9, Book 83, Number 11
    Narrated Usama bin Zaid bin Haritha: The Prophet said, “You killed him after he had said, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” The Prophet kept on repeating that statement till I wished I had not been a Muslim before that day.

    – Time of Caliphate of Love and Moderation.
    Let alone destroying innocent people, even those who destroy the city, cattle, animals, trees, and plants on the earth are big sinners:

    Q.2, v.205. And when he turneth away, his effort in the land is to make mischief therein and to destroy the crops and the cattle; and Allah loveth not mischief.
    Q.27, v.18. Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said: O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not.

    – Who defends who?
    God is the real Moslem’s true “Soldier”.

    67:20. Or who is he that would be the Soldier unto you, to help you except of the Most Beneficent? The disbelievers are in naught but illusion.

  6. madmanna says:

    You have to find the Islam that you approve of in the hadith, which each Muslim individual decides which part of it is true and which not. It’s the sign of a false religion that everyone decides for himself the truth. Both sides of a contradiction can be true in the hadith.

    The Quran:

    [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

  7. θ says:

    “madmanna says: It’s the sign of a false religion that everyone decides for himself the truth. ”

    Choice is available in Islam as long as the matter is not substantial for salvation. Time and number are important as litmus. If a choice lasts longer for so many Moslem generations, it must be good enough. Today’s Takfiris are typical Khwarijites that just lasted short in early time of Islam. If a choice is easily accepted by Majority, it must be good enough. Minority may or may not fall as innovator.
    For instance, the burning punishment carried out by a small group is a bad Bid’ah (innovation). But the punishment on the Zakat deniers that the 1st caliph has carried out is accepted by Majority.

  8. madmanna says:

    “Choice is available in Islam as long as the matter is not substantial for salvation.”

    Ethics is substantial for salvation.

    In the bible the golden rule and the royal law apply equally in terms of both rights and obligations to all men regardless of whether a man is a Muslim or not.

    James 2 v 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

    Islam has this respect to persons therefore it is a false religion.

  9. θ says:

    “madmanna says: Ethics is substantial for salvation.”

    Christians do not understand the meaning of justice and reason, let alone salvation. It is not fair if a person is punished more longer and more greater than gravity of sins he commits. One can’t be punished eternally for any sin to temporal creation no matter how much it is. God is not emotionally blind.
    I think Torah concurs with Qur’anic justice.

    In Islam, any sin to humans can’t make a Moslem spend his eternity in hell.
    Only the sin to Allah (idolatry) alone is unforgivable. The most sinful Moslem shall taste “temporary” Purgatory at most as long as the duration of the world, or perhaps simply equally with the span of life of entire human race – since Adam to the last man on earth – because one can’t be punished eternally for a sin to temporal creation.
    Rather, it is soft idolatry to elevate the temporary creation equal to eternal being.

  10. madmanna says:

    All sins are sins against God. All sins are breaking his commandments.

    Often the Jews worshipped God rightly, without idolatry, but their worship was loathsome to God because of their sins:

    Meaningless Offerings

    Isaiah 1 v

    10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

    11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

    12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

    13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

    14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

    15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

    16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

    17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

    Adam and Eve did no harm to anyone but themselves. They were sentenced to death because they broke God’s commandment.

    You said: “One can’t be punished eternally for any sin to temporal creation no matter how much it is. God is not emotionally blind.
    I think Torah concurs with Qur’anic justice.”

    That’s just your opinion which is against the teaching of Jesus. The Torah shows that justice can’t be done without the death of a third party as mediator.

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