Robert Spencer – The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World’s Most Intolerant Religion

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  1. θ says:

    Significance of steps of Tolerance in Islam.
    (i) During preliminary Mekka’s epoch, Moslems seek alliance with Moral-based society to reform the godless society.
    To reform Mekkans from heathenism Moslems befriend Ahl al-Kitabs, such as Jews (by mentioning so many Jewish Prophets) and Christians (by mentioning Mary and Jesus).

    (ii) On the advanced Mekka’s epoch, Pluralism.
    Pluralism alongside proselytism is permitted in order to make the heathens know of what the benefit of Islam over their paganism is.
    Moslems have to let the Mekkans worship their gods as long as they agree to let Moslems worship Allah. Tolerance is permitted as long as they can go along with Islam.
    However, any syncretism between differing faiths is not permitted. Thy religion is thine, My religion is mine.

    (iii) During preliminary Medinah’s epoch: Unity.
    Unity in diversity under one nation with Ahl al-Kitab is permitted.

    (iv) On the advanced Medinah’s epoch, a Non-aggression treaty.
    Non-Aggression pact with so many neighboring Non-Moslems – i.e. the forgotten Arab Bedouins – is now permitted.

    (v) On the stalemate of Medinah’s epoch: Truce.
    When the conflicts had occurred but a swift victory can’t be achieved or granted quickly by Allah, now the tactical temporary Truce is permitted.

    (vi) On the advanced stalemate of Medinah’s epoch: Global outlook.
    Islam is now introduced into Non-Arabs outside of Arabia.

    (vii) Peaceful conquest: Action of purity.
    The idols around Mekka are finally wiped away. The heathenism is over.

    (viii) On the Advanced conquest: Political aspect of Islam.
    The groups of Ahl al-Kitab are allowed to stay in both Mekka and Medina as long as they pay the poll-tax.

  2. Ninja says:

    θ says: The groups of Ahl al-Kitab are allowed to stay in both Mekka and Medina as long as they pay the poll-tax.
    —————————-
    Stating a baseless statement is a sign of a looser

    Excerpted from islamqa
    [Is it permissible for a non-Muslim to enter Madeenah, i.e., to enter the sanctuary (for a necessary purpose)?.
    Praise be to Allaah.

    Firstly:

    It is not permissible allow the kuffaar TO TAKE UP RESIDENCE IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA The scholars differed at to the definition of the boundaries of the Arabian Peninsula, but they did not differ as to the fact that MADEENAH is part of it.

    Ibn Qudaamah said:

    It is not permissible for any of them (the kuffaar) to live in the Hijaaz. This is the view of Maalik and al-Shaafa’i, but Maalik said: I think that they should be expelled from all the Arab lands, because the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “TWO RELIGIONS CANNOT COEXIST IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA.” Abu Dawood narrated with his isnaad from ‘Umar that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , and I WILL NOT LEAVE ANYONE THERE BUT MUSLIMS.” Al-Tirmidhi said: this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. And it was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left behind three instructions. He said: EXPEL THE MUSHRIKEEN FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , honour the delegations the way that I do, and he kept quiet about the third. Narrated by Abu Dawood.

    Al-Mughni, 9/285, 286.

    Secondly:

    It is permissible for kuffaar to enter Madeenah for the purposes of trade, WITHOUT STAYING THERE. They should be given enough time (to complete their business) then THEY SHOULD BE TOLD TO LEAVE. Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    It is permissible for them to enter the Hijaaz for the purpose of trade, because the Christians used to trade with Madeenah at the time of ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). An old Christian man came to him in Madeenah and said: “I am an old Christian man and your agent has taken the tithe from me twice.” ‘Umar said: “I am an old monotheist (haneef) man,” and ‘Umar wrote to the agent and said: “Only take the tithe once in a year, and DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO STAY MORE THAN THREE DAYS.” This is what was narrated from ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) and they should leave after that. Al-Qaadi said: Four days is the limit after which a traveller must offer prayers in full.

    Al-Mughni, 9/286.

    Secondly:

    Thirdly:

    What we have mentioned about Madeenah and its sanctuary does not apply to the sanctuary of Makkah. the kuffaar are forbidden to enter it UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

    It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (3/130, 131):

    The majority of scholars – including Muhammad ibn al-Hasan among the Hanafis – are of the view that it is not permissible for kuffaar to enter the sanctuary of Makkah at all, The view of the Hanafis is that that is permissible if there is a treaty or they have permission.

    With regard to the sanctuary of Madeenah, it is not forbidden for them to enter to bring a message, for trade or to bring some goods. A kaafir may not enter other parts of the Arab lands without permission or a treaty. The fuqaha’ have discussed this matter in detail.Ends.

    And Allaah knows best. ]

    What a bunch of FASCIST

  3. θ says:

    Duty of Scholars is to differ, otherwise they can’t be scholars but laymen.
    Saudi Arabia hosted multinational troops, military analysts, and officers, even journalists from Non-Islamic faiths during Gulf war. Also it accepts annually the Shiite’s pilgrims whom most Sunni scholars condemn as apostates.

    Arabian Jews after the time of early Caliphate:
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0012_0_11088.html

    Contrary to the statements of Graetz, Dubnow, and others, however, not all the Jews of Khaybar were expelled by Omar.
    Those who had made special treaties and covenants with Muhammad, especially the members of the family of his wife Safiyya, were allowed to remain.
    Graetz’s theory about the wanderings of the Jews of Khaybar to Kufa on the Euphrates, where they influenced the center of the gaonate in Babylonia and served as an ethnic background for the growth of Karaism there, is basically incorrect.

    An Arabic source published by *Goldziher (REJ, 28 (1894), 83) quotes an Arabic account in which the Muslims express their astonishment that the Jewish women of Khaybar put on their most beautiful jewelry on the Day of Atonement.

    The Jews of Khaybar, like Jews in other parts of the Hejaz, are mentioned hundreds of years after the expulsion of some of them by Omar.
    At the end of the 11th century they still had possessions, lands, fields, and castles in the region of Katiba, which was a region of Banu Nadir in the time of Muhammad.
    The Jews of Wadi al-Qura addressed questions about the cultivation of dates to R. Sherira and Hai Gaon in Babylonia.*Benjamin of Tudela (12 th century) heard rumors, which are exaggerated, about the power of the Jews of Khaybar and Tayma, who were still addressing questions to the exilarchs in*Baghdad.
    He noted that the Jews of Khaybar were descendants of the Re’uben, Gad, and Menashe tribes and that they numbered 50,000, including scholars and war heroes who fought against their enemies.
    In the 11th and 12th centuries the Jews of Khaybar are mentioned in Egypt and Babylonia.
    In a letter from the gaon Solomon b. Judah written in Jerusalem around 1020, a certain Isaac from Wadi al-Qura is mentioned.
    This man deserted his family for four years, traveled to Egypt and returned “to his land,” that is, to Wadi al-Qura.
    Two* Genizah documents attest the settlement of Khaybar Jews in Tiberias during that period.

  4. Ninja says:

    ++In the 11th and 12th centuries the Jews of Khaybar are mentioned in Egypt and Babylonia++
    Already being answered by previous explanation It is not permissible allow the kuffaar TO TAKE UP RESIDENCE IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA The scholars differed at to the definition of the boundaries of the Arabian Peninsula.

    My take is primarily regarding on this ‘unintelligible’ baseless statement, θ says: The groups of Ahl al-Kitab are ALLOWED TO STAY in both MEKKA and MEDINA as long as they pay the poll-tax.

    It would be far better to use the God given brain before make any comment, what a pity to have a brain but unable in using it properly.

  5. θ says:

    “Ninja says: ALLOWED TO STAY in both MEKKA and MEDINA as long as they pay the poll-tax.”

    Qur’an and Hadith just deal with a rejection of all pagans (Mushrikun) in Mekkah. Literally, the rejection does not include Jews because they are not in a category of pagans. I think it is the reason why Jews don’t like to stay in Mekkah because it was a city of thousand of idols.

  6. Ninja says:

    θ says:ALLOWED TO STAY in both Mekka and MEDINA as long as they pay the poll-tax……….Qur’an and Hadith just deal with a rejection of all pagans (Mushrikun) in Mekkah
    ——————————–

    Stating a baseless statement is a CHARACTERISTIC of a LOOSER, it’s all there in my evidence even YATHRIB (MADEENAH) WHICH WAS A CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH CITY now forbidden for the CHRISTIAN’S NATIVE OF MEDINAH

    Excerpted from https://islamqa.info/en/47736

    [ Is it permissible for a non-Muslim to enter MADEENAH, i.e., to enter the sanctuary (for a necessary purpose ?.

    It is not permissible allow the kuffaar TO TAKE UP RESIDENCE IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA

    The scholars differed at to the definition of the boundaries of the Arabian Peninsula, but THEY DID NOT DIFFER as to the fact that MADEENAH IS PART OF IT

    the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , and I WILL NOT LEAVE ANYONE THERE BUT MUSLIMS.

    It is permissible for kuffaar to enter Madeenah for the purposes of trade, WITHOUT STAYING THERE. They should be given enough time (to complete their business) then THEY SHOULD BE TOLD TO LEAVE. Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    It is permissible for them to enter the Hijaaz for the purpose of trade, because the Christians used to trade with MADEENAH at the time of ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). AN OLD CHRISTIAN MAN came to him in Madeenah and said: “I am an old Christian man and your agent has taken the tithe from me twice.” ‘Umar said: “I am an old monotheist (haneef) man,” and ‘Umar wrote to the agent and said: “Only take the tithe once in a year, and DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO STAY MORE THAN THREE DAYS.” This is what was narrated from ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) and they should leave after that. Al-Qaadi said: Four days is the limit after which a traveller must offer prayers in full. ]

    WHAT FASCIST BELIEF FOR EXPELLING THE NATIVE CHRISTIAN FROM MEDEENA

  7. θ says:

    “Ninja says: ‘Umar wrote to the agent and said: “Only take the tithe once in a year, and DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO STAY MORE THAN THREE DAYS.”

    Indeed, Umar allows them to stay in Medinah, even though just three days, but they have to pay a year poll-tax.

  8. Ninja says:

    θ says:Indeed, Umar allows them to stay in Medinah, even though just three days, but they have to pay a year poll-tax.

    LOL

    You surely fully aware, The native of Medina was Jews and Christian, and to say CHRISTIAN nor JEWS CANT TAKE RESIDENCE ON A PLACE WHERE IT WAS FORMERLY THEIRS IS JUST FASCIST MINDSET

  9. θ says:

    “Ninja says: PLACE WHERE IT WAS FORMERLY THEIRS IS JUST FASCIST MINDSET”

    Those same natives of Medina have converted to Islam. You have no one to argue except with those same “formerly Jewish” and “formerly Christian”, and the same case goes to “formerly pagan” in Mekkah.

  10. Ninja says:

    θ says:Those same natives of Medina have converted to Islam.

    Buth those who are not converting are EXPELLED

    the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , and I WILL NOT LEAVE ANYONE THERE BUT MUSLIMS

    just playing your silly game for denying your fascist behaviour

  11. θ says:

    “Ninja says:WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL”

    Qur’an teaches us and Early Moslems very clear how the will of God and the will of Prophet can be less than a commandment.
    In Qur’an, had Allah willed He would have made all humans the believers overnight, but in reality He doesn’t grant it.
    In Hadith, once upon a time in Prophet’s time, he had ever willed to burn and raze down all house of Moslem who doesn’t go to a mosque for prayers, but eventually he restrained, hence it is not a commandment for Moslems to do.

  12. θ says:

    Did Umar expel all Arabian Jews? Historians say No.

    Arabian Jews after the time of early Caliphate:
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0012_0_11088.html

    Contrary to the statements of Graetz, Dubnow, and others, however, not all the Jews of Khaybar were expelled by Omar.
    Those who had made special treaties and covenants with Muhammad, especially the members of the family of his wife Safiyya, were allowed to remain.
    Graetz’s theory about the wanderings of the Jews of Khaybar to Kufa on the Euphrates, where they influenced the center of the gaonate in Babylonia and served as an ethnic background for the growth of Karaism there, is basically incorrect.

    An Arabic source published by *Goldziher (REJ, 28 (1894), 83) quotes an Arabic account in which the Muslims express their astonishment that the Jewish women of Khaybar put on their most beautiful jewelry on the Day of Atonement.

    The Jews of Khaybar, like Jews in other parts of the Hejaz, are mentioned hundreds of years after the expulsion of some of them by Omar.
    At the end of the 11th century they still had possessions, lands, fields, and castles in the region of Katiba, which was a region of Banu Nadir in the time of Muhammad.
    The Jews of Wadi al-Qura addressed questions about the cultivation of dates to R. Sherira and Hai Gaon in Babylonia.*Benjamin of Tudela (12 th century) heard rumors, which are exaggerated, about the power of the Jews of Khaybar and Tayma, who were still addressing questions to the exilarchs in*Baghdad.
    He noted that the Jews of Khaybar were descendants of the Re’uben, Gad, and Menashe tribes and that they numbered 50,000, including scholars and war heroes who fought against their enemies.
    In the 11th and 12th centuries the Jews of Khaybar are mentioned in Egypt and Babylonia.
    In a letter from the gaon Solomon b. Judah written in Jerusalem around 1020, a certain Isaac from Wadi al-Qura is mentioned.
    This man deserted his family for four years, traveled to Egypt and returned “to his land,” that is, to Wadi al-Qura.
    Two* Genizah documents attest the settlement of Khaybar Jews in Tiberias during that period.

  13. Ninja says:

    θ says:very clear

    Clearly a person who’s just spouting empty personal opinion is a sign of a LOOSER

    Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , and I WILL NOT LEAVE ANYONE THERE BUT MUSLIMS.” Al-Tirmidhi said: this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. And it was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left behind three instructions. He said: EXPEL THE MUSHRIKEEN FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA

    Everybody knows this fact Medeena a once CHRISTIAN TOWN NOW FORBIDDEN FOR CHRISTIAN TO ENTER

    What a FASCIST !

  14. θ says:

    “Ninja says: Everybody knows this fact Medeena a once CHRISTIAN TOWN NOW FORBIDDEN FOR CHRISTIAN TO ENTER”

    More than to enter, even Umar allows them to stay in Medinah, even though just three days, but they have to pay a year poll-tax.
    ‘Umar wrote to the agent and said: “Only take the tithe once in a year, and DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO STAY MORE THAN THREE DAYS.”

  15. Ninja says:

    θ says:More than to enter, even Umar allows them to stay in Medinah, even though just three days, but they have to pay a year poll-tax. ‘Umar wrote to the agent and said: “Only take the tithe once in a year, and DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO STAY MORE THAN THREE DAYS.

    Yeaa, I know you’re fully aware you’re trying to make yourself as dumb as possible to deny this obvious truth.

    ISLAM AND ITS PROPHET ARE JUST FASCISTS !
    FOR NOT ALLOWING CHRISTIAN TO RESIDE IN A TOWN THAT’S ONCE KNOWN AS CHRISTIAN TOWN.

  16. θ says:

    “Ninja says:ONCE KNOWN AS CHRISTIAN TOWN.”

    Umar’s decision to expel and limit Ahl al-Kitab three days is supported by “former Medinah’s Ahl al-Kitab” who converted to Islam. Those same natives of Medina have converted to Islam. You have no one to argue except with those same “formerly Jewish” and “formerly Christian”, and the same case goes to “formerly pagan” in Mekkah.

  17. Ninja says:

    θ says: Umar’s decision TO EXPEL and limit Ahl al-Kitab three days is supported by “former Medinah’s Ahl al-Kitab” who converted to Islam

    EXPEL means ONCE RESIDED THERE BEFORE BEING EXPELLED, your admission tells it all.

    ISLAM AND ITS PROPHET ARE JUST FASCISTS !
    FOR NOT ALLOWING CHRISTIAN TO RESIDE IN A TOWN THAT’S ONCE KNOWN AS CHRISTIAN TOWN.

  18. θ says:

    “Ninja says: ARE JUST FASCISTS !FOR NOT ALLOWING CHRISTIAN TO RESIDE”

    You just happen to also blame or hate your “formerly Christian” and “formerly Jewish” in Medinah.

  19. Ninja says:

    θ says:You just happen to also blame or hate your “formerly Christian” and “formerly Jewish” in Medinah.

    Your assumption is just becoming more unintelligible

    θ says: Umar’s decision TO EXPEL and limit Ahl al-Kitab three days is supported by “former Medinah’s Ahl al-Kitab” who converted to Islam

    EXPEL means ONCE RESIDED THERE BEFORE BEING EXPELLED, your admission tells it all.

    Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , and I WILL NOT LEAVE ANYONE THERE BUT MUSLIMS

    ISLAM AND ITS PROPHET ARE JUST FASCISTS !
    FOR NOT ALLOWING CHRISTIAN TO RESIDE IN A TOWN THAT’S ONCE KNOWN AS CHRISTIAN TOWN.

  20. θ says:

    ” Ninja says: Your assumption is just becoming more ”

    What assumption? Natives of Medinah are Jewish and Christians who converted to Islam, and they agree to just permit 3 days for Ahl al-Kitab to stay in their homeland.
    Even Historians are on our Islamic side by stating that not all Jews were expelled by Umar.

  21. Ninja says:

    θ says:and they agree to just permit 3 days for Ahl al-Kitab to stay in their homeland.

    θ says Umar’s decision TO EXPEL and limit Ahl al-Kitab three days is supported by “former Medinah’s Ahl al-Kitab” who converted to Islam

    EXPEL means ONCE RESIDED THERE BEFORE BEING EXPELLED, your admission tells it all.

    You’re just proved how FASCIST YOUR BELIEF IS

  22. θ says:

    “Ninja says: You’re just proved how FASCIST YOUR BELIEF IS”

    It has nothing to do with a belief, but decision of homeland’s natives. You have no one to argue with except those same “formerly Jewish” and “formerly Christian”, and the same case goes to “formerly pagan” in Mekkah.

  23. Ninja says:

    θ says Umar’s decision TO EXPEL and limit Ahl al-Kitab three days is supported by “former Medinah’s Ahl al-Kitab” who converted to Islam……….but decision of homeland’s natives

    EXPEL means ONCE RESIDED THERE BEFORE BEING EXPELLED, your admission tells it all.

    Apparently their ‘present’ religion had turned them to become FASCIST

    Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , and I WILL NOT LEAVE ANYONE THERE BUT MUSLIMS

  24. θ says:

    “Ninja says: Apparently their ‘present’ religion had turned them to become FASCIST”

    It is just a cultural excess. Islam as a belief is silent on the rejection. For certain it is a cultural example that Roman Christians used to expel Jews from Canaan, whereas Jews are indeed commanded to expel the natives of Canaan.

  25. Ninja says:

    ++It is just a cultural excess+++
    Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , and I WILL NOT LEAVE ANYONE THERE BUT MUSLIMS

    Yeaa, it’s surely hurt for trying to make yourself as hard as possible to become dumb 😀

  26. θ says:

    “Ninja says: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL ”

    A wish is less than commandment. Every Moslems know it. Umar knows it.
    Qur’an teaches us and Early Moslems very clear how the will of God and the will of Prophet can be less than a commandment.
    In Qur’an, had Allah willed He would have made all humans the believers overnight, but in reality He doesn’t grant it.
    In Hadith, once upon a time in Prophet’s life, he had ever willed to burn and raze down all house of Moslem who doesn’t go to a mosque for prayers, but eventually he restrained, hence it is not a commandment for Moslems to do.

    Arabian Jews after the time of early Caliphate:
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0012_0_11088.html

    Contrary to the statements of Graetz, Dubnow, and others, however, not all the Jews of Khaybar were expelled by Omar.
    Those who had made special treaties and covenants with Muhammad, especially the members of the family of his wife Safiyya, were allowed to remain.
    Graetz’s theory about the wanderings of the Jews of Khaybar to Kufa on the Euphrates, where they influenced the center of the gaonate in Babylonia and served as an ethnic background for the growth of Karaism there, is basically incorrect.

    An Arabic source published by *Goldziher (REJ, 28 (1894), 83) quotes an Arabic account in which the Muslims express their astonishment that the Jewish women of Khaybar put on their most beautiful jewelry on the Day of Atonement.

    The Jews of Khaybar, like Jews in other parts of the Hejaz, are mentioned hundreds of years after the expulsion of some of them by Omar.
    At the end of the 11th century they still had possessions, lands, fields, and castles in the region of Katiba, which was a region of Banu Nadir in the time of Muhammad.
    The Jews of Wadi al-Qura addressed questions about the cultivation of dates to R. Sherira and Hai Gaon in Babylonia.*Benjamin of Tudela (12 th century) heard rumors, which are exaggerated, about the power of the Jews of Khaybar and Tayma, who were still addressing questions to the exilarchs in*Baghdad.
    He noted that the Jews of Khaybar were descendants of the Re’uben, Gad, and Menashe tribes and that they numbered 50,000, including scholars and war heroes who fought against their enemies.
    In the 11th and 12th centuries the Jews of Khaybar are mentioned in Egypt and Babylonia.
    In a letter from the gaon Solomon b. Judah written in Jerusalem around 1020, a certain Isaac from Wadi al-Qura is mentioned.
    This man deserted his family for four years, traveled to Egypt and returned “to his land,” that is, to Wadi al-Qura.
    Two* Genizah documents attest the settlement of Khaybar Jews in Tiberias during that period.

  27. Ninja says:

    θ says:Umar’s decision TO EXPEL and limit Ahl al-Kitab three days is supported by “former Medinah’s Ahl al-Kitab” who converted to Islam……….but decision of homeland’s natives

    EXPEL means ONCE RESIDED THERE BEFORE BEING EXPELLED, your admission tells it all.

    Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , and I WILL NOT LEAVE ANYONE THERE BUT MUSLIMS

    Medina was once known as CHRISTIAN CITY BUT UMAR EXPELLED THE CHRISTIANS FOLLOWING THE PROPHET’s ORDER

    FASCIST !

  28. θ says:

    “Ninja says:FOLLOWING THE PROPHET’s ORDER”

    Just as a “fascist” Jesus expels the people he disliked away from the areal of Temple?
    For Medinah, the rejection of Ahl al-Kitab is just a cultural excess. But Islam as a belief is silent on the rejection.
    For certain it is a cultural example that Roman Christians used to expel Jews from Canaan, whereas Jews are indeed commanded by Tanach to expel the natives of Canaan.

    A wish is less than commandment. Every Moslems know it. Umar knows it.
    Qur’an teaches us and Early Moslems very clear how the will of God and the will of Prophet can be less than a commandment.
    In Qur’an, had Allah willed He would have made all humans the believers overnight, but in reality He doesn’t grant it.
    In Hadith, once upon a time in Prophet’s life, he had ever willed to burn and raze down all house of Moslem who doesn’t go to a mosque for prayers, but eventually he restrained, hence it is not a commandment for Moslems to do.

    Arabian Jews after the time of early Caliphate:
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0012_0_11088.html

    Contrary to the statements of Graetz, Dubnow, and others, however, not all the Jews of Khaybar were expelled by Omar.
    Those who had made special treaties and covenants with Muhammad, especially the members of the family of his wife Safiyya, were allowed to remain.
    Graetz’s theory about the wanderings of the Jews of Khaybar to Kufa on the Euphrates, where they influenced the center of the gaonate in Babylonia and served as an ethnic background for the growth of Karaism there, is basically incorrect.

    An Arabic source published by *Goldziher (REJ, 28 (1894), 83) quotes an Arabic account in which the Muslims express their astonishment that the Jewish women of Khaybar put on their most beautiful jewelry on the Day of Atonement.

    The Jews of Khaybar, like Jews in other parts of the Hejaz, are mentioned hundreds of years after the expulsion of some of them by Omar.
    At the end of the 11th century they still had possessions, lands, fields, and castles in the region of Katiba, which was a region of Banu Nadir in the time of Muhammad.
    The Jews of Wadi al-Qura addressed questions about the cultivation of dates to R. Sherira and Hai Gaon in Babylonia.*Benjamin of Tudela (12 th century) heard rumors, which are exaggerated, about the power of the Jews of Khaybar and Tayma, who were still addressing questions to the exilarchs in*Baghdad.
    He noted that the Jews of Khaybar were descendants of the Re’uben, Gad, and Menashe tribes and that they numbered 50,000, including scholars and war heroes who fought against their enemies.
    In the 11th and 12th centuries the Jews of Khaybar are mentioned in Egypt and Babylonia.
    In a letter from the gaon Solomon b. Judah written in Jerusalem around 1020, a certain Isaac from Wadi al-Qura is mentioned.
    This man deserted his family for four years, traveled to Egypt and returned “to his land,” that is, to Wadi al-Qura.
    Two* Genizah documents attest the settlement of Khaybar Jews in Tiberias during that period.

  29. Ninja says:

    θ says:Umar’s decision TO EXPEL and limit Ahl al-Kitab three days is supported by “former Medinah’s Ahl al-Kitab” who converted to Islam…

    EXPEL means THE CHRISTIANS WERE ONCE RESIDING IN MEDINA BEFORE BEING EXPELLED, your admission tells it all.

    Medina was once known as CHRISTIAN CITY BUT UMAR EXPELLED THE CHRISTIANS FOLLOWING THE PROPHET’s ORDER

    Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I WILL CERTAINLY EXPEL THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA , and I WILL NOT LEAVE ANYONE THERE BUT MUSLIMS

    [ The scholars differed at to the definition of the boundaries of the Arabian Peninsula, but THEY DID NOT DIFFER as to the fact that MADEENAH IS PART OF IT ]

    FASCIST!

  30. θ says:

    Tolerance in Islam is unique.
    During the time of Madinah, Islam doesn’t nullify the concept of tolerance. Islamic way of Tolerance depends on proper conditions, correct places and specific audiences. Despite having the Supremacist theology, Islam also teaches Moslems to tolerate and respect other faiths for certain levels of wisdom.

    (i) ‘Creed Tolerance’ of Madinah’s epoch is established in Q.3, v.64 by making a principle of “Common Ground” of unity, in which there’s no hostility between Islam and Non-Islam, such as Christianity.
    Q.3, v.64 has a background of a gentlemen agreement of “agree to disagree” between Prophet Muhammad and three Yemeni Trinitarians. Hence, tolerance exists even after the wars occurred with the tribes of Jews.

    (ii) ‘Scriptural Tolerance’ of Madinah’s epoch is established by Q.5, v.48 in which there is “equality” in Shari’ah of each Scriptures, and every group is supposed to compete in righteousness, not in competition of insult.
    Another unifying tone of Qur’an also happens in Q,5, v.66.

    (iii) ‘Prophetic Tolerance’ of Madinah’s epoch is established in Q.4, v.152-153, in which Allah appreciates Abdullah Ibn Salam and his followers who believe in Prophet Muhammad even though it is possible for them to argue with typical religious comparison that their Jewish Prophets have more greater miracles to convince the truth of their religion.

    (iv) ‘Angelic Tolerance’ of Madinah’s epoch is established in Q.2, v.87-98 in which Allah doesn’t differentiate Michael (Jewish guardian) from Gabriel (Arab guardian).
    Ibn ‘Abbas also said: The rabbi said: Gabriel is our enemy among the angels. If it had been Michael instead of him we would have believed in you. Gabriel brings down chastisement, fighting and hardship. He showed enmity to us in many occasions, …Said Muqatil: The Jews said:
    Gabriel is our enemy, he was commanded to place Prophethood amongst us, but he placed it with others. Allah revealed this verse as a response.

    There’s similar reference to Babylonian Talmud Tractate Yoma 77a, in which the Rabbis accused Gabriel of being one of the enemies of Jews because he wrongly doesn’t completely burn alive all enemies of Israel – that is, all good and bad residents of Jerusalem – with the coal of fire (Ezek 10:2-7), so that it gives a reason for Babylonians to finally burn down the temple.
    Talmud, Yoma 77a.
    The Holy One, blessed be He, said to Michael: Michael, your nation has committed sin. Michael answered: Lord of the Universe Let the good ones among them be considered sufficient. He replied: I shall burn both them and the good ones among them. Immediately then: And he spoke unto the man clothed in linen, and said: Go in between the wheelwork, even under the cherub, and fill both thy hands with coals of fire from between the cherubim, and dash them against the city. And he went in my sight. Thereupon: And the cherub stretched forth his hand between the cherubim unto the fire that was between the cherubim, and took thereof and put it into the hands of him that was clothed in linen, who took it and went out. R. Hana b. Bizna said in the name of R. Simeon the Pious: Were it not for the fact that the coals of the hand of the cherub became cold in the process of coming into the hands of Gabriel, there would not have been left over from the “enemies of Israel” (residents of Jerusalem) one to remain, or one to escape (into Babylon captivity).

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