Can Allah be one if he sends his own spirit to do a work?

[19.17] So she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our spirit, and there appeared to her a well-made man.
[19.18] She said: Surely I fly for refuge from you to the Beneficent God, if you are one guarding (against evil).
[19.19] He said: I am only a messenger of your Lord: That I will give you a pure boy.
[19.20] She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste?
[19.21] He said: Even so; your Lord says: It is easy to Me: and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.
[19.22] So she conceived him; then withdrew herself with him to a remote place.

Does Allah have two spirits? The one who sends and the one who is sent? They must be two different spirits although they are both the spirit of Allah. One speaks to Mirium and appears to be a man. We assume that Allah is somewhere around watching and hearing what “his spirit” is saying and doing. So how can Allah be one when his spirit is doing two different things as the sender spirit and the sent spirit?

How does the God of the bible describe a spirit sent from him?

1 Kings 22 v 19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. 21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. 23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

 

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35 Responses to Can Allah be one if he sends his own spirit to do a work?

  1. θ says:

    Difference between Spirit in Tanach and Spirit in Qur’an is, the Allah’s Spirit is not a person (it is just the living breath), nor a non-divine Creator.
    In Tanach, the Spirit is a “created creator”, that’s why he is not a bit divine for Jews.
    (i) Spirit existed prior to the works of old (Gen 1:2, “Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”)
    (ii) Along with Jehovah’s breath, he co-creates people such as Jesus and Job (Job 33:4, “The Spirit of God has made me.”) – but weirdly he is not a bit divine for Jews.
    (iii) Along with Jehovah, he sent a Prophet such as Isaiah (Isa 48:16 “now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”)
    (iv) With Jehovah he talks and argues to use a lie (1Ki 22:22, “the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth.”)
    In Tanach 1 Kings 22:22 the Jehovah’s Spirit is a new person that talks with Jehovah: “I will persuade him”, “I will go forth,” and “I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets”.
    Jehovah responds by stating “Thou shalt persuade him”, and “prevail also: go forth, and do so.”

  2. Ninja says:

    Muhammad is in confusion himself in determining whether Holy Spirit is somehow DIVINE or not, Muhammad seems to define Holy Spirit with Angel but Muhammad can not really determine in his mind whether Holy Spirit is just mere angel or DIVINE as Allah is.

    (The angels say:) “We descend not but by command of thy Lord: to Him belongeth what is before us and what is behind us, and what is between: and thy Lord never doth forget S.19:64

    Muhammad is in confusion but Muhammad DARES NOT TO DENY THE DIVINITY OF HOLY SPIRIT, that’s why though he mistakenly identifies Holy Spirit as Angel but he regards the word of Holy Spirit as EQUAL with the word of Allah

    Holy Spirit in arabic Ruh Ul-Quddus himself means The Spirit with the ATTRIBUTE of Al-Quddus,and every muslim knows Al-Quddus is one of 99 sacred names of Allah

    Muhammad saw Holy Spirit as some sort to be divine as Allah , that’s why Muhammad did not dare to accuse Holy Spirit as not divine and instead he replaced Holy Spirit with Mary in Muhammad’s concept of what Trinity is.

  3. Ninja says:

    Because the consequences are :

    1. Based on Surah 19:64, either

    Holy Spirit whom Muhammad mistakenly identified as Angel, is as Divine as Allah

    or

    Surah 19:64 is not Words of A Deity but of A Creation

    .
    2. Based on the concept of 99 Names of Allah , Either

    Islam has commit as SIN of SHIRK for Attributing Al-Quddus to ‘the Spirit’

    or

    Holy Spirit originally was regarded AS DIVINE AS ALLAH in Muhammad’s true teaching

  4. θ says:

    “Ninja says: Surah 19:64 is not Words of A Deity but of A Creation”

    Spirit’s word cannot be grasped by humans, because they cannot learn Arabic or Greek by themselves. Spirit doesn’t have a tongue to articulate a vocalisation or utter a wording.
    Rom 8
    26 The Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

    “Ninja says: Islam has commit as SIN of SHIRK for Attributing Al-Quddus to ‘the Spirit’”

    Similar to the Monotheism of Jews and Jewish Prophets, the name Quddus can’t make a spirit (Holy spirit), nor book (Holy book), nor the land (Holy land) the new gods.

  5. Ninja says:

    ++Similar to the Monotheism.++

    Nope..there’s no Insan’ul-Quddus because in Islam that’s a blasphemy, you’re certainly take a low path for trying to deny this truth

    Ruh-Ul-Quddus is The Spirit who has the attribute of Al-Quddus (The Name of Allah)

    ONLY A RETARD WHO WILL SAY SAY THE PERSON WHO’S SPEAKING IS ALLAH HIMSELF
    (The angels say:) “We descend not but by command of thy Lord:
    to Him belong what is before us and what is behind us, and what is between: and thy Lord never doth forget S.19:64

    It’s either Holy Spirit (whom Muhammad mistakenly taught as angel) IS EQUAL WITH ALLAH

    OR

    SURAH 19:64 IS NOT THE WORD OF DEITY AT ALL

  6. Ninja says:

    θ says:Spirit’s word cannot be grasped by humans, because they cannot learn Arabic or Greek by themselves.
    ——————————–

    Either you’re extremely dumb or lying, PLEASE CHOOSE ONE…..

    One day while the Prophet (ﷺ) was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, “What is faith?” Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) replied, ‘Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection.” Then he further asked, “What is Islam?” Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) replied, “To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan.” Then he further asked, “What is Ihsan (perfection)?” Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) replied, “To worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you.” Then he further asked, “When will the Hour be established?” Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) replied, “The answerer has no better knowledge than the questioner. But I will inform you about its portents. One,When a slave (lady) gives birth to her master. Two,When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And the Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah.

    The Prophet (ﷺ) then recited: “Verily, with Allah (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour–.” (31. 34) Then that man (Gabriel) left and the Prophet (ﷺ) asked his companions to call him back, but they could not see him. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) said, “That was Gabriel who came to teach the people their religion.” Abu ‘Abdullah said: He (the Prophet) considered all that as a part of faith. SAHIH BUKHARI

  7. θ says:

    “Ninja says: Then that man (Gabriel) ”

    Gabriel in the original nature of spirit doesn’t have a tongue to say something in Arabic.

  8. Ninja says:

    θ says:Gabriel in the original nature of spirit doesn’t have a tongue to say something in Arabic

    ROTFL

    I know it’s such a painstaking thing to make yourself as dumb as possible in order to deny my evidence

    The SAHIH Hadith is CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT GABRIEL SPEAKS ARABIC

  9. θ says:

    “Ninja says: GABRIEL SPEAKS ARABIC”

    A man Gabriel is not anymore the unseen spirit without tongue.

  10. Ninja says:

    The SAHIH Hadith is CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT GABRIEL SPEAKS ARABIC

    One day while the Prophet (ﷺ) was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, “What is faith?” Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) replied,

    (The angels say:) “We descend not but by command of thy Lord: to Him belong what is before us and what is behind us, and what is between: and thy Lord never doth forget S.19:64

    The WE here is certainly not Allah ONLY A RETARD WHO WILL SAY SAY THE PERSON WHO’S SPEAKING IS ALLAH HIMSELF

    EITHER SURAH 19:64 IS NOT THE WORD OF ALLAH

    OR

    THE ANGEL AS MUHAMMAD PRESUMABLY THOUGHT AS HOLY SPIRIT, IS EQUAL WITH ALLAH

  11. θ says:

    “Ninja says: (The angels say:) “We descend not but by command”

    A man Gabriel can’t fly.

  12. Ninja says:

    θ says:A man Gabriel can’t fly

    The point is the man is an Angel who can speak Arabic

  13. θ says:

    “Ninja says: the man is an Angel who can speak Arabic”

    But the verse further talks about “descending”, that is flying, not just about talking a verse in Arabic. A man cannot fly.
    (The angels say:) “We descend…

  14. Ninja says:

    θ says:(The angels say:) “We descend…(Surah 19:64)

    The ‘We’ here is not Allah but Angel right ? SO YOU’RE AGAIN PROVING MY POINT

    The WE here is certainly not Allah ONLY A RETARD WHO WILL SAY SAY THE PERSON WHO’S SPEAKING IS ALLAH HIMSELF

    EITHER SURAH 19:64 IS NOT THE WORD OF ALLAH

    OR

    THE ANGEL AS MUHAMMAD PRESUMABLY THOUGHT AS HOLY SPIRIT, IS EQUAL WITH ALLAH

    Concerning the Sahih Hadith , The point is the man is an Angel who can speak Arabic

  15. θ says:

    “Ninja says: The ‘We’ here is not Allah but Angel right ? ”

    But angels have no tongue to say anything, hence the verse is truly Allah’s word in a purpose to describe what those speechless Angels are supposed to say.

  16. θ says:

    Difference between Spirit in Tanach and Spirit in Qur’an is, the Allah’s Spirit is not a person (it is just the living breath), nor a non-divine Creator.
    In Tanach, the Spirit is a “created creator”, that’s why he is not a bit divine for Jews.
    (i) Spirit existed prior to the works of old (Gen 1:2, “Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”)
    (ii) Along with Jehovah’s breath, he co-creates people such as Jesus and Job (Job 33:4, “The Spirit of God has made me.”) – but weirdly he is not a bit divine for Jews.
    (iii) Along with Jehovah, he sent a Prophet such as Isaiah (Isa 48:16 “now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”)
    (iv) With Jehovah he talks and argues to use a lie (1Ki 22:22, “the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth.”)
    In Tanach 1 Kings 22:22 the Jehovah’s Spirit is a new person that talks with Jehovah: “I will persuade him”, “I will go forth,” and “I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets”.
    Jehovah responds by stating “Thou shalt persuade him”, and “prevail also: go forth, and do so.”

  17. Ninja says:

    θ says:But angels have no tongue to say anything

    But Allah also has no tongue according to the REAL Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jamaah, you’re a MUJASIMMAH for implying Allah has tongue !

    Angel is a creation whether by manifesting himself to be a man or he speaks from his own self certainly he can speak arabic according to Hadith Sahih Bukhari

    θ says:(The angels say:) “We descend…(Surah 19:64)

    The ‘We’ here is not Allah but Angel right ? SO YOU’RE AGAIN PROVING MY POINT

    BECAUSE ALLAH IS NOT THE PERSON WHO SPOKE IN SURAH 19:64

  18. θ says:

    “Ninja says: But Allah also has no tongue ”

    Yes, there’s no any similarity whatsoever between the Creator and creations. Arabic Qur’an is conveyed by a man Gabriel, not in the nature of angel without tongues.

  19. Ninja says:

    θ says:Yes, there’s no any similarity

    In that case Angel does have tongue either by manifestation to be a man or from himself as angel

  20. θ says:

    “Ninja says:In that case Angel does have tongue either by manifestation to be a man”

    Again, the verse further talks about “descending”, that is flying, not just about saying a verse in Arabic. A man cannot fly.
    (The angels say:) “We descend…

  21. Ninja says:

    θ says:(The angels say:) “We descend…(Surah 19:64)

    That means the one speaking here is not ALLAH, that’s why S19:64 IS NOT THE WORD OF ALLAH

    Or the other option is MUHAMMAD DID BELIEVE HOLY SPIRIT AS EQUAL WITH ALLAH

    About the hadith it’s the man who’s also an ANGEL THAT CAN SPEAK ARABIC

  22. θ says:

    “Ninja says:That means the one speaking here is not ALLAH, that’s why S19:64 IS NOT THE WORD OF ALLAH”

    Although Gabriel can fly, yet he as angel does not have a tongue to say anything.
    Otherwise, the verse further talks about “descending”, that is flying, not just about saying a verse in Arabic. A man Gabriel cannot fly.
    (The angels say:) “We descend…

  23. Ninja says:

    θ says:yet he as angel does not have a tongue to say anything

    Nope when Gabriel ascend and descend at Isra Miraj he surely speaking arabic with Muhammad

    (The angels say:) “We descend…(Surah 19:64) That means the one speaking here is not ALLAH, that’s why S19:64 IS NOT THE WORD OF ALLAH

    Or the other option is MUHAMMAD DID BELIEVE HOLY SPIRIT AS EQUAL WITH ALLAH

  24. θ says:

    “Ninja says: Nope when Gabriel ascend and descend at Isra Miraj he surely speaking arabic with Muhammad”

    They fly with Buraq or 4-faced cherub.

  25. Ninja says:

    Nope there’s no need for Gabriel in heaven to be in human and even so it doesn’t negate the fact that the person who speaks in whatever form as being identified as WE

    (The angels say:) “We descend…(Surah 19:64)

    the WE here is not ALLAH, that’s why S19:64 IS NOT THE WORD OF ALLAH

    Or the other option is MUHAMMAD DID BELIEVE HOLY SPIRIT AS EQUAL WITH ALLAH

  26. θ says:

    “Ninja says:Nope there’s no need for Gabriel in heaven to be in human ”

    That’s why Buraq is sent to make them (Prophet Muhammad and a man Gabriel) fly up.

  27. Ninja says:

    θ says:Spirit’s word cannot be grasped by humans, because they cannot learn Arabic or Greek by themselves.

    Or do they think that We hear not their secrets and their private counsel? (Yes We do) and Our Messengers (appointed angels in charge of humankind) are by them, to record.” (Quran 43:80)

    (Remember!) that the two receivers (recording angels) receive (each human being after he or she has attained the age of puberty), one sitting on the right and one on the left (to note his or her actions). Not a word does he (or she) UTTER, but there is a watcher by him ready (to record it).” (Quran 50:17-18)

    you are rejecting the Quran !

    QURAN TELLS THE ANGELS UNDERSTAND ARABIC IN THEIR ANGEL FORM

  28. Ninja says:

    It’s just bringing us back to square one again

    (The angels say:) “We descend not but by command of thy Lord: to Him belong what is before us and what is behind us, and what is between: and thy Lord never doth forget S.19:64(Surah 19:64)

    Facts:
    1) the WE here who is DESCENDING , OBVIOUSLY not ALLAH,
    2)ANGEL CAN SPEAK AND UNDERSTAND ARABIC PERFECTLY

    So, It’s either


    S19:64 IS NOT THE WORD OF ALLAH

    Or

    the other option is MUHAMMAD DID BELIEVE HOLY SPIRIT AS EQUAL WITH ALLAH (since Muhammad thought Holy Spirit is some sort of Angel) AND THE WORD OF HOLY SPIRIT = THE WORD OF GOD

  29. θ says:

    “Ninja says: Not a word does he (or she) UTTER, but there is a watcher by him ready (to record it).”

    Understanding and recording more than 1,000 language of men is different from an ability of saying a thing in Arabic.

  30. Ninja says:

    θ says:Understanding and recording more than 1,000 language of men

    Or do they think that We HEAR not their secrets and their private counsel? (Yes We do) and Our Messengers (appointed angels in charge of humankind) are by them, TO RECORD.” (Quran 43:80)

    Be careful you are rejecting Quran!
    Quran tells the angels understand every kind of human language and they record WHATEVER THEY HEAR

    (Remember!) that the two receivers (recording angels) receive (each human being after he or she has attained the age of puberty), one sitting on the right and one on the left (to note his or her actions). Not a word does he (or she) UTTER, but there is a watcher by him ready (to record it).” (Quran 50:17-18)

    NOT ONLY THE ANGEL UNDERSTAND BUT THEY ALSO HAVE CONVERSATION WITH HUMAN IN THEIR ANGEL FORM

    Al-Tirmidhi narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “When the deceased – or one of you – is buried, there come to him two black and blue angels, one of whom is called al-Munkar and the other al-Nakeer. They say: ‘What did you say about this man?’ and he says what he used to say: ‘He is the slave of Allah and His Messenger. I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.’ They say: ‘We knew that you would say that.’ Then his grave is made spacious for him, seventy cubits by seventy, and it is illuminated for him. Then it is said to him: ‘Sleep,’ and he says: ‘May I go back to my family and tell them?’ They say: ‘Sleep like the bridegroom who will be woken by none but the dearest of his family to him,’ until Allah raises him from that resting-place of his.”
    But if he is a hypocrite he says: ‘I heard the people saying something so I said something like what they said. I do not know.’ They say: ‘We knew that you would say that.’ Then it is said to the earth: ‘Squeeze him.’ So it squeezes him until his ribs interlock, and he will continue to be tormented therein until Allah raises him from that resting-place of his.”
    Hadith al-Tirmidhi.

    REPENT AND OBEY YOUR QURAN O’ MUJASIMMAH IBN LAQNATULLAH !

  31. θ says:

    “Ninja says: called al-Munkar and the other al-Nakeer. They say: ‘What did you say about this man?’ ”

    Their words are not a verse of Qur’an.

  32. Ninja says:

    ++Their words are not a verse of Qur’an.++

    Ok, typo

    Or do they think that We HEAR not their secrets and their private counsel? (Yes We do) and Our Messengers (appointed angels in charge of humankind) are by them, TO RECORD.” (Quran 43:80)

    Be careful you are rejecting Quran!
    Quran tells the angels understand every kind of human language and they record WHATEVER THEY HEAR

    (Remember!) that the two receivers (recording angels) receive (each human being after he or she has attained the age of puberty), one sitting on the right and one on the left (to note his or her actions). Not a word does he (or she) UTTER, but there is a watcher by him ready (to record it).” (Quran 50:17-18)

    NOT ONLY THE ANGEL UNDERSTAND BUT THEY ALSO HAVE CONVERSATION WITH HUMAN IN THEIR ANGEL FORM

    Al-Tirmidhi narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “When the deceased – or one of you – is buried, there come to him two black and blue angels, one of whom is called al-Munkar and the other al-Nakeer. They say: ‘What did you say about this man?’ and he says what he used to say: ‘He is the slave of Allah and His Messenger. I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.’ They say: ‘We knew that you would say that.’ Then his grave is made spacious for him, seventy cubits by seventy, and it is illuminated for him. Then it is said to him: ‘Sleep,’ and he says: ‘May I go back to my family and tell them?’ They say: ‘Sleep like the bridegroom who will be woken by none but the dearest of his family to him,’ until Allah raises him from that resting-place of his.”
    But if he is a hypocrite he says: ‘I heard the people saying something so I said something like what they said. I do not know.’ They say: ‘We knew that you would say that.’ Then it is said to the earth: ‘Squeeze him.’ So it squeezes him until his ribs interlock, and he will continue to be tormented therein until Allah raises him from that resting-place of his.”
    [Hadith al-Tirmidhi]
    .

    REPENT AND OBEY YOUR QURAN AND SUNNA O’ MUJASIMMAH IBN LAQNATULLAH !

  33. θ says:

    “Ninja says: called al-Munkar and the other al-Nakeer. They say: ‘What did you say about this man?’ ”

    Their words are not a verse of Qur’an.

  34. Ninja says:

    θ says:Their words are not a verse of Qur’an.

    DO YOU DARE TO DENY THE SUNNAH ?

    REPENT COME AND COME BACK TO THE TRUE AHLUL-SUNNA O’MUJASSIMAH IBN LAQNATULLAH !

  35. θ says:

    In Qur’an, there are many forms of spirit.
    Like in the story of Joseph, he sends out his spirit (Q.12, v.94) toward his ailing father Jacob in order to heal him. Is that Joseph’s apparition or what? Maybe it is just his telepathic psyche.
    But importantly, the meaning of “spirit” in Islam is much more diverse than just a specific breath of life that makes one’s heart beat.

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