A question to all the Unitarians out there

1 Cor 8 v 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Can Unitarians please explain to us Trinitarians why the one of whom it is predicated that of him are all things , and we in him, is divine;  while at the same time the one of whom it is predicated that by him are all things, and we by him, is not divine?

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4 Responses to A question to all the Unitarians out there

  1. madmanna says:

    Agency is humbug. At least in terms of God applying his power through a created agent so that his power and the power of the creature is one undivided cause.

  2. Anonymous says:

    “Can Unitarians please explain to us Trinitarians why the one of whom it is predicated that of him are all things , and we in him, is divine; while at the same time the one of whom it is predicated that by him are all things, and we by him, is not divine?”

    It means that only the ungenerated Father alone is not the *thing*. Thing generated by the Father includes the Word and the meaning of eternity. The Word was generated by the Father before eternal moment.
    Even the Trinitarians call it “Eternal Generation”, implying two things: the Word is subjected to the motion, and subjected to a process of generation as well.
    By definition, since the time or eternity is a motion, it must have a beginning or starting point lest it is absurd, thus even the eternity must be generated by the Father.

  3. madmanna says:

    The Word is not generated or created in any sense. Otherwise this verse would not be true. He would have to be the one exception to the truth that all things are by him.

  4. Anonymous says:

    “madmanna says: The Word is not generated or created in any sense.”

    If there were two ungenerated persons, there must be two gods for the Trinitarians, but they insist the unique unoriginatedness belongs to the Father alone.
    1 Cor 8:6
    But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;

    Regarding the origin – signified by the word “Of him” in 1Cor 8:6 of all things, the Word is one of those things, he can’t be *exception*, he can’t generate himself, he was originated by the Father.
    Moreover, the Trinitarians themselves insist on the unique ungeneratedness of the Father alone. It means they don’t believe that the Word is able to generate himself.
    The specific word “Of him” in 1Cor 8:6 symbolises origin.

    “He would have to be the one exception to the truth that all things are by him.”

    The specific word “By him” in 1Cor 8:6 indicates the same or parallel existence between the the Word and creations (at least the elects). That’s why Jesus shares his title Prototokos with the saints (Prototokon).
    Heb 12:23
    To general gathering and assembly of Firstborn ones [Prototokon], written in Heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.

    In terms of the framing – signified by the word “By him” in 1Cor 8:6 – of all things, the Father doesn’t ever uphold the things, whereas the role of upholding and framing the things is responsible of the Word.
    Hence, the word “By him” means framing, upholding, participation, and agency.
    Moreover, the Trinitarians insist the Father doesn’t intervene the world, lest the role of mediation of Jesus is redundantly in vain.

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