God never said of himself “I AM ONE” anywhere in the bible or even in the Koran for that matter

Even the koranic god Allah does not claim absolute oneness for himself. If so where do we find this in the Koran? If God says he is one something, Lord or God, then that is a different statement. It is a claim of absolute oneness in relation to another thing of the same kind, even though that thing as created tends to nothing, a sum to infinity of zero, when compared to God.

It could be argued that the koranic Allah could not be one because if he was he would not be free to be good or evil towards anyone he wanted. If he is free to guide or to lead astray then he must be at least two in his will in order to choose both possible choices for each human being that he has created. So he is not one in his will. His will must have the freedom to guide or to lead astray from the right path any particular person any number of times he chooses. He must also have the freedom to cast any Muslim in to hell even after he has been in paradise for a million years because the slavemaster must always be free to act in any way he wishes towards his slaves, and Allah is nothing if not a slavemaster in the sky.

Absolute oneness has it’s problems, even for Allah. Therefore he cannot be one.

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7 Responses to God never said of himself “I AM ONE” anywhere in the bible or even in the Koran for that matter

  1. Anonymous says:

    Declaration of “God is one” is announced in Gal 3:20.
    Gal 3
    19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

    It is not difficult to have a rebuttal against Trinitarians in the “Binitarian disguise”. Implying a false theology of Binitarian heresy to debate Unitarians, Arians and JWs is a self-defeating argument. Do Trinitarians have just two Lords instead of three? How about that 3rd person? What is it anyway?

    In Cor 8:6 Trinitarians may infer a self-defeating fallacy that even One God the Father has lost his title “one Lord” to Jesus. Now, do Trinitarians have just one Lord rather than two Lords? How about the Father and 3rd person?
    In fact Jesus calls the Father “Lord”, and Paul also calls the Father “Lord Almighty”.

    Mt 11
    25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
    2Cor 6
    17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    Therefore Cor 8:6 is just a very limited internal theology “for us” to serve the argument in a simplistic divine comparison.
    The passage Cor 8:6 is not universal theology whereas 2 Cor 6:17 and Matt 11:25 are global that God the Father is also the Lord – Almighty for all things of both heaven and earth – in a more substantial and absolute sense.

  2. madmanna says:

    The Lord is God and the God is Lord. They are just means of distinguishing and affirming that both Jesus Christ and the Father is the one God and Lord.

    1 Cor 8 v 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

  3. madmanna says:

    “Declaration of “God is one” is announced in Gal 3:20.”

    I reply:

    We know that God is one and, as trinitarians, we agree with that statement. Even all things that have parts are one. This statement proves nothing for unitarians including Muslims.

    However, God never says anywhere in the bible or the koran “I am one”.
    To me this would spell the death of the trinity. Fortunately God has never and will never say this because it would contradict the self-revelation of his being.

  4. madmanna says:

    ” 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

    This is defining God more in terms of those with whom we have a personal relationship, that is the Father and the Son, rather than a metaphysical definition of God. As a rule we relate only to the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ on a personal level. Or we relate to the Spirit through the Father and the Lord Jesus but not directly.

  5. madmanna says:

    “1 Cor 8:6 excludes Jesus from being “one God”, hence Jesus can’t define who personal God is for the early Christians.”

    Not so because the words : “of whom are all things, and we in him” and the and the words “by whom are all things, and we by him” make the Father and Jesus Christ co-equal in power and co-authors of the creative actions whereby all things become existent and continue in the state of their existence.

    “However, it must be true that the Father is “one God” because it is so evident that Jesus worships (proskuneo) and serves (latreuo) the Father, whereas the Father never ever worships or serves Jesus at all.”

    John 17 shows that the Father and the Son can worship each other:

    1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

    5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

  6. madmanna says:

    “5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

    This is obviously a special kind of glorifying which is spoken of here, not comparable with the other kinds of glorifying.

  7. θ says:

    One of In his epistle, Paul says, it is not enough to just know God. Without glorifying so-called deity as God – that is a gesture of divine service (Latreuo) – his title is just a product of a vain imagination or mythology from the dark force.
    Rom 1:21
    Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    Neither the Word, nor the Son, nor preexistent Jesus, nor a man Jesus, nor post-resurrected Jesus, nor the Old Testament Spirit, nor the New Testament Ghost ever get a bit divine service from the people.

    People happen to get glorified by God as well, that is as His people.
    Rom 8:17 If so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
    Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    Certain people also serve as the “vessel” for God’s glory as well, that is as His “joint-recipients” of veneration (Proskuneo).
    Gal 1:24 They glorified God in me.
    2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints.

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