According to Unitarians the writer of the gospel of John 4 v 24 chooses the wrong word which Jesus used to depict the true worship of God

King James Bible

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

According to Unitarians only God receives both the worship of  Latreuo and the worship of Proskuneo. Other beings receive only Proskuneo.

Text Analysis
Strong’s Transliteration Greek English Morphology
4151 [e] Pneuma Πνεῦμα Spirit N-NNS
3588 [e] ho Art-NMS
2316 [e] Theos Θεός, God [is], N-NMS
2532 [e] kai καὶ and Conj
3588 [e] tous τοὺς those Art-AMP
4352 [e] proskynountas προσκυνοῦντας worshiping V-PPA-AMP
846 [e] auton ‹αὐτὸν› him, PPro-AM3S
1722 [e] en ἐν in Prep
4151 [e] pneumati πνεύματι spirit N-DNS
2532 [e] kai καὶ and Conj
225 [e] alētheia ἀληθείᾳ truth N-DFS
1163 [e] dei δεῖ it behoves V-PIA-3S
4352 [e] proskynein προσκυνεῖν. to worship. V-PNA
Text Analysis
Strong’s Transliteration Greek English Morphology
5119 [e] tote τότε Then Adv
3004 [e] legei λέγει says V-PIA-3S
846 [e] autō αὐτῷ to him PPro-DM3S
3588 [e] ho Art-NMS
2424 [e] Iēsous Ἰησοῦς Jesus, N-NMS
5217 [e] Hypage Ὕπαγε, Get you away, V-PMA-2S
4567 [e] Satana Σατανᾶ· Satan; N-VMS
1125 [e] gegraptai γέγραπται it has been written V-RIM/P-3S
1063 [e] gar γάρ indeed, Conj
2962 [e] Kyrion Κύριον [The] Lord N-AMS
3588 [e] ton τὸν the Art-AMS
2316 [e] theon θεόν God N-AMS
4771 [e] sou σου of you PPro-G2S
4352 [e] proskynēseis προσκυνήσεις You shall worship, V-FIA-2S
2532 [e] kai καὶ and Conj
846 [e] autō αὐτῷ him PPro-DM3S
3441 [e] monō μόνῳ alone Adj-DMS
3000 [e] latreuseis λατρεύσεις. shall you serve. V-FIA-2S

They try to drive a wedge or a line of demarcation between worshipping and serving God. Worshipping is a subset of serving. Serving is keeping all the commandments of God in one’s life. Worshipping is blessing, thanking and praising God. It is an intellectual and emotional act of the soul. There is no strict line of demarcation between the two. The one is subsumed in the other. If we are the temple of God then every act of obedience done in the body is an act of worship. It just doesn’t always take the form of a conscious act of worship. Thus Unitarians fail to establish a kind of lower and higher form of worship using these two different words.

Advertisements
This entry was posted in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink.

14 Responses to According to Unitarians the writer of the gospel of John 4 v 24 chooses the wrong word which Jesus used to depict the true worship of God

  1. Anonymous says:

    In the state of holiness (in glorified spirit or in heaven) such a solemn gesture only goes to God.

    Jesus never received Latreuo in the Bible.
    The reference in Rev 3:9 has the non-believers on the earth rendering proskuneo before the feet of true believers during 1,000 years of Messianic kingdom.
    That’s why Peter corrects Cornelius in Ac 10:25 because he esteems Cornelius as a prophet from Gentile that receives angelic inspiration.

    In both occurrences Rev 19:10 and Rev 22:8-9 have example of John rendering proskuneo to an angel and immediately corrected. The texts clearly state that in the state of holiness (in glorified spirit or in several levels of vision of heaven, Rev 1:10, Rev 4:2, Rev 17:3, Rev 21:10) such a solemn gesture only goes to God.

    In Gospel, Jesus renders proskuneo to God thrice, Lk 22:41, Mk 14:35.
    In Lk 24:5 women bowed – gesture of proskuneo – to two announcing angels on the tomb without getting corrected.
    The New Testament does not correct the act of proskuneo of the Old Testament, as Jacob toward Joseph’ sons in Hb 11:21.

  2. madmanna says:

    If Jesus is God he is entitled to it whether or not it is recorded of him that he received it.

    Proskuneo in spirit and truth is the true worship of God and latreuo does not replace it as a higher form of worship as Muslims and Unitarians claim. If it were so Jesus would not have defined worship of God as proskuneo. He would have used the word latreuo.

    Latreuo denotes a wider range of spiritual activities such as preaching the gospel and intercessory prayer:

    King James Bible
    For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

    Proskuneo is more limited to the act of worship itself. To argue that one is higher than the other is to compare apples with oranges and say that apples are higher than oranges.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Certainly God receives both Latreou with spirit and Proskuneo with spirit which Jesus never gets.
    Phil 3
    3 For we are the circumcision, which worship (Latreou) God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
    Rom 1
    9 For God is my witness, whom I serve (Latreuo) with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

  4. madmanna says:

    The word God refers to all three persons unless otherwise stated. So all three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, receive Latreuo.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Here is a simple math.
    If God were accumulation of three persons, then each person just contains one-third of God. Hence worse than Unitarians, Both the Father and Jesus of Trinitarians are not even a God each.

    Hnece, when each person contains the “fullness” of God, from both the Father and Jesus we easily have 3/3 divinity in the Father + 3/3 divinity in the Son = 2 Gods.

    Problem of distinction.
    When Jesus says the Father is “in” him, and he is “in” the Father, the distinction ceases to exist, they mix each other.

    Co-equality vs. hierarchy.
    If 2nd person were once co-equal with both 1st and 3rd persons before becoming the Son, the 2nd and the 3rd persons must be losing forever their equality with the Father after a moment of hierarchy. When did it happen? or was it really ever happening?

  6. Anonymous says:

    Additional comments:
    What is not unthinkable of what God of the Trinity actually would be, is since each person has his distinct consciousness (self-aware personality), does the God have another additional distinct consciousness that is “resultant” of three consciousnesses?
    Is the Son also having the access – beside his own consciousness – to experience the resultant of three consciousnesses of God?

  7. madmanna says:

    The being of God does not conform to simple math.

    “Problem of distinction.
    When Jesus says the Father is “in” him, and he is “in” the Father, the distinction ceases to exist, they mix each other.”

    But things that are “problems” still exist. They don’t cease to exist because they are a “problem” for the Muslim mind which is formed by the koranic legends.

    “If 2nd person were once co-equal with both 1st and 3rd persons before becoming the Son, the 2nd and the 3rd persons must be losing forever their equality with the Father after a moment of hierarchy. When did it happen? or was it really ever happening?”

    How did the Son lose his co-equality by being begotten? He can still worship and serve the Father as a subordinate human being and be co-equal to the Father simultaneously. Why is this not possible?

  8. madmanna says:

    Perhaps a co-equality of being cannot be lost by “hierarchy”. Does the power to be sent by God not require co-equality? Can God send a creature in the same way that he sends himself?

    “Has not the Ghost lost its co-equality eternally after being the third?”

    Third in what sense? What kind of succession are you talking about?

  9. madmanna says:

    Only God can be blasphemed. Only blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, therefore the Holy Spirit is God.

    Mark 3 The Unpardonable Sin

    (Matthew 12:31-32)

    28Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

    Mohammedans make Mohammed, a man, their god because they make blasphemy against him a criminal offence.

    They also blaspheme the Holy Spirit, like you are constantly doing on this thread. You will also not be forgiven.

    “(ii) Holy Ghost is not mentioned when every creatures shall worship the Father in spirit per John 4:23 and Rev 5:13. Holy Ghost doesn’t receive honor or worship by name.
    What kind of worshipless God is it?”

    We worship the Holy Spirit by keeping our bodies, his temple, undefiled by fornication. That is a form of worship.

    eph 4 v 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    1 cor 6 v The Body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit

    (Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 3:16-18)

    18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

    “(iii) Holy Ghost doesn’t know the future as he is excluded form having knowing the Hour in light of Mat 24:26. What kind of ignoramus God is it?”

    Only the Father knows the day of return of the Son. This knowledge is not necessary for the other two persons for them to be God. The onus is on you to show that this knowledge is necessary for the other two persons or why they cannot be God without this knowledge.

    “(iv) It is revealed how Holy Ghost’s is originated from the throne – not from the Father – as John witnesses in Rev 22:1.
    Is it a “son” of the throne?”

    In a vision we see things that are representing the reality, signs of the reality, not the reality itself.

  10. madmanna says:

    “1Ki 21
    10 And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die.”

    But Jezebel was a wicked and not unpartial judge of what constitutes blasphemy.

    “Rev 13
    6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.”

    The law of Moses only regulates earthly crimes and their punishments, not heavenly ones.

  11. θ says:

    I don’t talk about Moses’s Law but the fact that along with Holy Ghost the heaven’s hosts and Tabernacle can be blasphemed, hence it doesn’t mean the Ghost is a person.

  12. Anonymous says:

    Some Unitarian gems of John 4:
    (i) A Samaritan woman concurs with the common belief of the Jews regarding what the Christ is, that is Christ just a human (anthropon), and other Samaritan folks also reconfirmed so, the Christ is a human.
    Jn 4:29
    Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?
    Jn 4:42
    And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

    (ii) Jesus confirms that there’s such a “Progressive revelation” from an old Jewish-based salvation into the newly universal spirit-based salvation.
    The Jews are no longer the sole path for salvation, but it doesn’t mean otherwise they lose theirs.
    Jn 4
    22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    Paul also teaches that “Progressive revelation” but with his exaggerated assessment on more severe denigration of the Judaism into outcast status that it is no longer a correct path, but in category of an “unbelief”.
    Rom 11
    11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

  13. Anonymous says:

    Addition:
    (iii) Jesus infers that he is angelic person, not God, as he still needs some immaterial meat to eat and live, that is God’s will.
    Certainly by so he doesn’t refer to his humanity, nor to his alleged divinity.
    Jn 4
    32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. 33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? 34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

  14. Rubart Subinsar says:

    B-B, But, but, but, according to Paul the Jews don’t know what they worship, even though Jesus uses the word “we” twice in John 4:22 referring to the Jews. Paul corrects Jesus, right?
    Gal 4:8
    Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s