A Dawagandist Proves that the Holy Bible is Incorruptible!
It seems that Muslim-turned apostate-turned Muslim Christophobe again Paul Williams is on a roll since he keeps churning out posts which end up proving that Christianity is actually true and that Islam is necessarily false.
Take, for instance, his post where he quotes from the late Muslim convert Charles le Gai Eaton who explains why the Quran cannot be compared with the Holy Bible. Williams writes:
In the brilliant work ‘The Message of the Quran; Translation by Muhammad Asad‘ Charles le Gai Eaton wrote a Prologue. It is almost worth buying the Qur’an for this chapter alone.
‘Muslims are often asked why they refuse to adapt their scripture to the “needs of the modern age”. The Qur’an itself answers this question: “There is no changing the words of God”. The fact that it was sent down in the seventh century of the Christian era is irrelevant. You do not wear out a diamond by constant handling and the passage of the centuries cannot erode the words of God. That, after all, is the whole point of a divine intervention in the affairs of the world. The act – the revelation – is necessarily located in a particular period of time but it is, in itself, timeless, and Islamic theology defines the essence of the Qur’an as “uncreated”, therefore eternal. (Can we compare the Qur’an & and the Bible?, June 3, 2014: http://bloggingtheology.org/2014/06/03/5004/)
Pay close attention to Eaton’s comments here. The reason why the Muslim scripture cannot be changed or adapted to fit the needs of the modern age is because of the Quran’s assertion that “there is no changing the words of God,” a statement which appears several times therein:
And certainly apostles before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the apostles. S. 6:34 Shakir
Say: “Shall I seek for judge other than God? – when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail.” They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt. The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all. S. 6:114-115 Y. Ali
For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of God. This is indeed the supreme felicity. S. 10:64 Y. Ali
AND CONVEY [to the world] whatever has been revealed to thee of thy Sustainer’s writ. There is nothing that could alter His words; and thou canst find no refuge other than with Him. S. 18:27 Muhammad Asad
Eaton is basically arguing that since the Muslim scripture is God’s word, and since God’s words can never be changed, the Quran therefore can never be changed. Here, divinely revealed scripture is being equated with God’s unchangeable words.
Now this places Williams in a dilemma since the same Quran refers to the Torah, Zabur (Psalms), and Injil (Gospel) as revelations that Allah sent down as guidance and light for all mankind. The Quran further states that these revelations were in the possessions of the Jews and Christians who were commanded to live and judge by them:
He descended on you The Book with the truth, confirming to what (is) between His hands, and He descended the Torah and the New Testament/Bible. From before guidance to the people, and He descended the Separator of Right and Wrong/Koran, that those who disbelieved with God’s verses , for them (is) a strong (severe) torture, and God (is) glorious/mighty , (owner) of a revenge/punishment. S. 3:3-4 Muhammad Ahmed – Samira http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/3/st19.htm
O ye to whom the Scriptures have been given! believe in what we have sent down confirmatory of the Scripture which is in your hands, ere we efface your features, and twist your head round backward, or curse you as we cursed the sabbath-breakers: and the command of God was carried into effect. S. 4:47 Rodwell
Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms; And messengers We have mentioned unto thee before and messengers We have not mentioned unto thee; and Allah spake directly unto Moses; S. 4:163-164 Pickthall
And how (do) they ask you to judge/rule, and at them (is) the Torah/Old Testament, in it (is) God’s judgment/rule, then they turn away from after that, and those are not with the believing. That We descended the Torah/Old Testament, in it (is) guidance and light, the prophets those who submitted/surrendered, judge/rule with it, to those who guided/Jews, and the knowledgeable Lord worshippers, and the religious scholars with what they memorized/safe kept (learned) from God’s Book, and they were not on it witnessing/present; so do not fear the people and fear Me, and do not buy/volunteer with My signs/verses a small price, and who does not judge/rule with what God descended, so those, they are the disbelievers. And We wrote/decreed on them in it, that the self (is) with the self, and the eye (is) with the eye, and the nose (is) with the nose, and the ear (is) with the ear, and the tooth (is) with the tooth, and the wounds/cuts (are) equal revenge/punishment equal to crime, so who gave charity (forgave) with it, so it is cover/substitution for him, and who does not judge/rule with what God descended, so those, those are the unjust/oppressors. And We sent after (following) on their tracks with Jesus, Mary’s son confirming for what (is) between his hands from the Torah/Old Testament, and We gave him the New Testament/Bible in it (is) guidance and light, and confirming to what (is) between his hands from the Torah/Old Testament, and guidance and a sermon/advice/warning to the fearing and obeying. And the New Testament’s/Bible’s people should judge/rule with what God descended in it, and who does not judge/rule with what God descended, so those, they are the debauchers. And We descended to you The Book with the truth, confirming to what (is) between his hands from The Book, and guarding/protecting on it, so judge/rule between them with what God descended and do not follow their self attractions for desires about what came to you from the truth… S. 5:43-48 Muhammad Ahmed – Samira http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/5/st19.htm
those who follow the Messenger, ‘the Prophet of the common folk, whom they find written down WITH THEM in the Torah and the Gospel, bidding them to honour, and forbidding them dishonour, making lawful for them the good things and making unlawful for them the corrupt things, and relieving them of their loads, and the fetters that were upon them. Those who believe in him and succour him and help him, and follow the light that has been sent down with him — they are the prosperers.’ S. 7:157 Arberry
The only Scriptures which the Jews and Christians have always possessed, especially at the time of Muhammad, are the Old and New Testaments respectively. As such, the Quran must be referring to the Old and New Testaments when it mentions the revelations that Allah sent down before the time of Muhammad.
In other words, in its historical context the terms Torah and Zabur could only be referring to the books of the Old Testament, with the Injil/Gospel being a reference to the New Testament writings. There is simply no way around this fact.
Noted Christian apologist and author John Gilchrist’s exposition of the Quran’s repeated testimony to the preservation and authority of the Torah and Injil, which were in the possession of the Jews and Christians at Muhammad’s time, is worth quoting here at length:
“This passage teaches quite plainly that the Jews (named in Surah 5.44) ‘have the Torah’ (inda hum – ‘with them’), a statement which can yield only one possible interpretation – the book was in their possession at the time of Muhammad and, as the verse also states that it was these same Jews who were coming to Muhammad for judgment, it is clear that it speaks of the Jews who lived in the environment of Medina. This means that the scripture of the Jews of Medina, which they had in their possession at the time of Muhammad, was the true Torah and the same as that which was possessed by all the Jews of the world. Now throughout their history the Jews have known only one Scripture – the books of the Old Testament as we know them today. From centuries before the time of Jesus Christ, when the Septuagint translation was done, down to this very day (and therefore right throughout the lifetime of Muhammad), the Kitab of the Jews has always been nothing other than the Old Testament as we know it.
“The Qur’an nowhere suggests that the Torah is any book other than that which the Jews themselves accept as the Torah and, although Muhammad obviously assumed that the Jewish Scripture had the form of a book revealed to Moses by God, he nonetheless confirmed that this Scripture was indeed that which the Jews themselves regarded as the Torah. The Qur’an thus, perhaps unintentionally but nevertheless quite specifically, confirms that the Old Testament is the genuine Word of God and the authentic scripture of the Jews. A Syrian Christian convert from Islam, in his excellent work Minarul Haqq, says of Surah 5.47 quoted above:
Consider this: the Tourat, in which are the commands of God, is here affirmed to be in use by the Jews; the Scripture which, as shown above, is genuine and free from touch. Let the candid believer lay it to heart. (Muir, The Beacon of Truth, p. 92).
“The same principles apply to the New Testament. In this case the Qur’an describes the Christian Scriptures as the Injil, meaning the Gospel. Once again it has used a title which the possessors of that scripture also use for it. The Christian world knows the whole of the New Testament and the sum of its teaching as the Gospel (Mark 1.1, Romans 1.1). The Qur’an also admits that the Injil was in the possession of the Christians at the time of Muhammad…
“The Ahlul-Injil are obviously intended to be the Christians who are here commanded, like the Jews, to decide matters according to what Allah has revealed in their scriptures, As this passage is likewise clearly addressed to Muhammad’s Christian contemporaries, its teaching begs the question: how could the Christians be expected to judge by the Injil unless they had it in their possession? Once again, as with the Jewish Scripture, the Christian world has known only one scripture from centuries before Muhammad down to this very day. The Kitab of the Christian Church throughout its history has also been only one book – the New Testament as we know it.
“By admitting that the revealed Gospel (the Injil) is in the possession of the Christians and that it is the book which the Christians themselves accept as the Gospel (for the Qur’an again nowhere suggests that the Injil is any other scripture than the one in the custody of the Christians at Muhammad’s time), the Qur’an is giving frank witness to the New Testament as the revealed Word of God. The author of the famous sixteenth-century apologetic, Quadruplex Reprobatio, said to be John of Wales but more probably a Spaniard, quoting the previous verse which states that the Gospel by which the Christians were to judge contained hudaan and nuurun – ‘a guidance and light’ (Surah 5.49), also reasoned that the scripture of the Christians in their possession at the time of Muhammad must have been the authentic Word of God.
But God, he argued, could not have said that there was guidance and light in the Gospel if it were corrupt. (Daniel, Islam and the West, p. 50)…
“We have seen earlier in this chapter that the Old and New Testaments both date back to centuries before Muhammad and that there is no historical evidence of any kind to support the claim that they have been changed, or that the original scriptures of the Jews and the Christians were something else. As the Qur’an clearly regards the scriptures of these two groups as they existed in Muhammad’s time to be the exact revelations of God, it therefore testifies not only to the authenticity of the Old and New Testaments but also to their divine origin. The Qur’an thus incontrovertibly testifies to the whole Bible as the unchanged Word of God. In another similar verse the Qur’an says that the Jews and the Christians will find Muhammad mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which, it again says, are inda hum – ‘amongst them’ (Surah 7.157). How could such a mention in any event be found if such scriptures no longer existed? Once again the Qur’an testifies to the authenticity of the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians which they had in their possession at the time, and such scriptures could only be the Old and New Testaments as we know them.
It clearly intimates that the Pentateuch and the Gospel were current amongst the Jews and Christians of Mahomet’s time, ‘by’ or ‘amongst them’ . . . It is therefore clear that the Sacred Scriptures, as possessed by the Jews and Christians generally in the 7th century were, according to the teaching of the Coran, authentic, genuine, and free from corruption. (Muir, The Coran: Its Composition and Teaching, p. 128).
“Another writer likewise concludes that the Qur’an ‘seems to assume that the real Torah and the real Evangel were in the hands of contemporary Jews and Christians’ (Jeffery, Islam: Muhammad and his Religion, p. 122). In another place the Qur’an plainly says of the Jews that they ‘study the Scripture’ (Surah 2.44) and in the same Surah the Qur’an itself is said to be the Truth ‘confirming what is with them’ (Surah 2. 91). The only scripture which the Jews were studying, which was in their possession, and which the Qur’an here plainly professes to confirm, was the Old Testament just as we know it today. An even more striking text says to Muhammad:
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the book before thee. Surah 10.94
“Not only does this text yet again confirm that the Jews and the Christians of Muhammad’s time were indeed reading the true Scripture but it even commands Muhammad to consult them if he was in any doubt about what was coming to him in the Qur’an. If the original Torah and Gospel had been corrupted or replaced, would the Qur’an direct Muhammad to consult the readers of these Scriptures? There can be only one possible conclusion from a study of all the texts we have quoted. Even though Muhammad may have believed that the Torah and the Gospel were books revealed to Moses and Jesus respectively, by confirming that the Torah and the Gospel were the scriptures in the possession of their followers at that time and were duly read and studied by them, the Qur’an has given an unequivocal testimony to the Old and New Testaments as the genuine Word of God. This is the indisputable witness of the Qur’an to the Bible.
It is, in the circumstances, of no small interest to find that the Qur’an always speaks of the earlier books with respect – in such terms, indeed, as to leave the very definite impression that Muhammad, at any rate, believed in their divine origin and genuineness. (Bevan-Jones, Christianity Explained to Muslims, p. 3).
To sum up the evidence presented above, the Koran clearly implies the existence and currency of the Judeo-Christian Scriptures in the time of the prophet of Islam. It attests their authenticity and inspired character. They are appealed to by the prophet and their observance inculcated. (Abdul-Haqq, Sharing Your Faith with a Muslim, p. 25).” (Gilchrist, The Christian Witness to the Muslims, Objections to the Integrity of the Bible, C. The Testimony of the Qur’an to the Bible, 1. The Qur’anic Witness to the Christian Bible: http://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol2/7c.html; bold emphasis ours)
Williams is now faced with a major dilemma. Since his citation from Eaton equates the Scriptures with God’s unchanging words this means that the Holy Bible must be the incorruptible revelation which God inspired through the prophets and apostles. To argue otherwise is to believe that God’s incorruptible words were changed and lost over time, thereby falsifying the Quran’s repeated affirmation that God’s words can never be changed. There is simply no way around this, just as the following syllogism shows:
God’s words are unchangeable.
The Scriptures that God sent down are his words.
Therefore, the Scriptures are unchangeable.
The only Scriptures that the Jews and Christians have ever possessed are the books of the Old and New Testaments.
Therefore, the Old and New Testament Scriptures must be the unchangeable, incorruptible words of God.
If these are not the Scriptures which God sent down then this means God’s words have been changed and corrupted over time.
Therefore, this proves that the Quran is in gross error when it says that none can change God’s words, since many have done exactly that, especially in respect the Scriptures which God has revealed.
However, if Williams were to accept the Holy Bible as the incorruptible Word of God, which he must do so if he is to remain consistent with the message of the Quran, then he can no longer remain a Muslim, since Muhammad’s so-called revelations contradict the core, essential doctrines of the Biblical books. Therefore, Williams must turn his back on Muhammad and either recommit his life to Jesus as his risen Lord and Savior, or he can choose to follow the path of Bart Ehrman and become a not quite so happy agnostic! These are the only two choices that Williams has if he is to be honest and consistent with the data that he has presented. Otherwise, he can continue to relish in his blatant inconsistencies and hypocrisies since truth doesn’t matter to Williams.
The problems which Eaton’s quote raises for Williams are far from over. Time to proceed to the next part of our response.
How does Islam view the Bible? http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Bible/index.html
The Testimony of the Qur’an to the Bible http://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol2/7c.html
The Textual History of the Qur’an and the Bible http://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/texthistory.html
The incorruptibility of Allah’s words and the Charge of Biblical Corruption http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/word_incorruptible.html
God’s Words Can Never Be Changed http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/rebuttals/zawadi/gods_words_unchangable.html
The Words of God Are Unchangeable! [Part 1] http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/rebuttals/zawadi/gods_words_unchangable_r1.html, [Part 2] http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/rebuttals/zawadi/gods_words_unchangable_r2.html