The Apocrypha, a Youtube video by Will Kinney

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6 Responses to The Apocrypha, a Youtube video by Will Kinney

  1. Sam Shamoun says:

    Brother Badmanna, to be honest I would advise you to not look to Kinney as a reliable source of information. This isn’t meant to be personal but he is a careless researcher who is constantly committing huge blunders. Take, for instance, his assertion that the Apocrypha were not written in Hebrew at the beginning of his clip, but in Greek. He is grossly mistaken since we have found portions of the Apocrypha among the Dead Sea Scrolls which were written in Hebrew, not Greek!

    The Dead Sea Scrolls contained Hebrew or Aramaic copies of the following apocryphal books: Tobit, Ben Sira (or Ecclesiasticus), the letter of Jeremiah, Jubilees and 1 Enoch. The first three of these are in Catholic and Orthodox Bibles; the last two are in the Ethiopic Orthodox Bible. (http://www.gci.org/CO/dsscrolls)

    Kinney erroneously assumes that just because the extant copies of the Apocrypha are in Greek that this somehow proves that they weren’t originally written in Hebrew. However, what the discovery of the Dead Scrolls implies is that there is a strong likelihood that they were all initially written in Hebrew and were subsequently translated into Greek, which further supports the existence of a Greek version of the Hebrew Bible even before the time of the Lord Jesus.

    Lord willing, when I have more time I will go through his presentation and highlight his egregious errors of fact and logic.

  2. madmanna says:

    Brother Sam, do you believe that the apocrypha is inspired?

  3. Sam Shamoun says:

    Brother Madmanna, definitely not. And you should know this already since I am a Protestant who holds to the same canon that the Jews have historically held to. Besides, I wrote several articles proving the Apocrypha cannot be inspired. If you want those links I can give them to you. However, Kinney’s arguments are terrible and any Roman Catholic or Orthodox apologist would tear his claims to shreds.

  4. Bunny says:

    Roligt att läsa och se och höra att det finns alternativ tilll alla &#2sn1;utfa2ni2gar≵ av arbetslösa som pÃ¥gÃ¥r i samhället för tillfället. Hoppas att alla i dessa sammanhang nu fortsätter kämpa och tro pÃ¥ det som är bra för oss alla! =)

  5. Anonymous says:

    Apocrypha by Paul. Well, is it another one of the Trintarian polemicists’ blunder of the day, or a joke of the day? Why do we keep seeing it come always from the Trinitarians? What an amateurish clown.

  6. السلفية says:

    “Sam Shamoun says: And you should know this already since I am a Protestant who holds to the same canon that the Jews have historically held to. Besides, I wrote several articles proving the Apocrypha cannot be inspired.”

    Is this Sam’s big fat baldy lie (not about his physical)?
    Paul cited at least two earlier apocryphal sources, Gospel of Thomas and Apocalypse of Elijah (or Sefer Elijah) by making it a “Scripture”.
    In Hadith similar citation also appears:
    Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 93, Hadith 589
    Narrated Abu Huraira: the Prophet said, Allah said, I have prepared for My righteous slaves (such excellent things) as no eye has ever seen, nor an ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of.

    wisdomlib.org/christianity/compilation/gospel-of-thomas-commentary/d/doc4588.html
    Thom. 17. Jesus said: I will give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has not entered into the heart of man.

    en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Lost_Apocrypha_of_the_Old_Testament/Elijah
    To this book, two passages in St. Paul’s Epistles are referred. The first is i Cor. ii. 9: “Eye hath not seen,” etc. Origen (on Matt. xxvii. 9) says: “This is found in no canonical book, but in the apocrypha (in secretis) of Elias.” Jerome (Ep. 101 to Pammachius), with his eye on Origen, no doubt, writes: “In this place some will follow after the drivellings of apocryphal writings and say that the quotation is taken from the Apocalypse of Elias, whereas we read thus in Isaiah according to the Hebrew, ‘From everlasting they have not heard,’ etc. (Isa. lxiv. 4).” And again, in his great commentary on Isaiah (lib. xvii.) he fulminates against this view, contorting Ps. x. 3, and making it say “the devil lies in wait in the Apocrypha,” after which he adds, “for the Ascension of Isaiah and the Apocalypse of Elias have this quotation.”

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Elijah
    This apocalypse is mentioned in the Apostolic Constitutions, the List of the Sixty Books, the Synopsis of Pseudo-Athanasius, the Stichometry of Nicephorus, and the Armenian list of Mechithar. Origen, Ambrosiaster, and Euthalius ascribe First Epistle to the Corinthians 2:9 to it:
    1Cor 2:9
    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    If they are right, the apocalypse is pre-Pauline. The peculiar form in which this quotation appears in Clement of Alexandria, Protrepticus x. 94, and the Apostolic Constitutions vii. 32, shows that both have the same source, probably this apocalypse.

    Epiphanius[1] ascribes to this work Eph. 5:14:

    Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

    The Jewish version of the Apocalypse of Elijah was published by Adolf Jellinek[2] in 1855 and Moses Buttenwieser in 1897. Theodor Zahn[3] assigns this apocalypse to the 2nd century A.D.[4] but other scholars reject such an early date.[5]The two extant versions are thought to be derived from the same original, which would be the one quoted by Paul the Apostle. The Coptic version has been Christianized and the Hebrew version abridged.

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