Whether promiscuous sex or adultery Allah doesn’t seem to be able to make his mind up as to how it should be punished. House Arrest until death, together with enforced chastity?, is another variation on the same theme, along with flogging or stoning

Sahih International: Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women – bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.

Pickthall: As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).

Yusuf Ali: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.

Shakir: And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.

Muhammad Sarwar: Those of your women who commit fornication, let four (Muslim) witness testify to their act. If there is sufficient testimony, confine them to their homes until they die, or until God provides a way for their freedom.

Mohsin Khan: And those of your women who commit illegal sexual intercourse, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them (i.e. women) to houses until death comes to them or Allah ordains for them some (other) way.

Arberry: Such of your women as commit indecency, call four of you to witness against them; and if they witness, then detain them in their houses until death takes them or God appoints for them a way.

According to the Study Quran this verse applies to any form of illegal sex ( indecency or fahishah ), which may be adulterous or not, between a man and a Muslim woman, who could be either married or unmarried.

One size fits all Sharia? It takes two to tango so where is the man and his punishment? Why has he been swept under the carpet?

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Modern Muslim exegetes change and\or add words to Allah’s revelation to help him to save face

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL 24:2

The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse – lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.

The word unmarried is not in the text. So the punishment for adultery was 100 lashes at the beginning of Islam. This was changed to stoning over time. To save Allah’s face for being inconsistent and changing his mind the word “unmarried” has been added to the text.

Comparing translations shows this:

[24.2] (As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.
[24.3] The fornicator shall not marry any but a fornicatress or idolatress, and (as for) the fornicatress, none shall marry her but a fornicator or an idolater; and it is forbidden to the believers.

Sahih International: The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse – lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.

Pickthall: The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment.

Yusuf Ali: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

Shakir: (As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.

Muhammad Sarwar: Flog the fornicatress and the fornicator with a hundred lashes each. Let there be no reluctance in enforcing the laws of God, if you have faith in God and the Day of Judgment. Let it take place in the presence of a group of believers.

Mohsin Khan: The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah’s Law).

Arberry: The fornicatress and the fornicator — scourge each one of them a hundred stripes, and in the matter of God’s religion let no tenderness for them seize you if you believe in God and the Last Day; and let a party of the believers witness their chastisement.

How can the translations be so different for the same arabic words?

Sometimes this man and woman is referred to as just that, simply man or woman who have had sex outside marriage, sometimes by the pejorative term fornicator or adulterer. So we have the old problem that Christians point out which is that Allah seems to be a bad communicator or his minions think they know better what he should be saying and it is not what he actually said. So they have to cover up for him because image is everything in Islam.

So with some translations manipulation of the text is going on because the translators want to cover up the contradiction between the hadith, which prescribes stoning for adultery, and the Koran which only mandates 100 lashes as the punishment for adultery. This creates a confusion amongst the translations which betrays the taquiya which is going on behind the scenes.

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Linda Sarsour caught lying about FGM and Islam

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Contradictory moral stances are a sure sign of a false religion, in this case Islam

Narrated Mu’awiyah ibn Haydah: I said, Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.
Muslim, Book 30, Hadith 5756.
Aisha reported that Allah’s Messenger never beat anyone with his hand, neither a woman nor a servant, but only, in the case when he had been fighting in the cause of Allah.

Quran 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand

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Jesus asserts his divinity by demanding to be glorified as God the Healer

Luke 17 v13And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us. 14And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed. 15And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, 16And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.17And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine? 18There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger. 19And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

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A Brief history of the Quran

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The Two Faces of Islam, by David Wood

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Understanding Vehicular Jihad (David Wood)

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Al-Azhar, the foremost institution in Sunni Islam, refuses to declare the Islamic State apostate, by Robert Spencer of JihadWatch.org, with comments for additional reading pleasure

In June 2009 at al-Azhar, Barack Obama said: “For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning.”

In October 2001, right after 9/11, the New York Times called Al-Azhar “the revered mosque, the distinguished university, the leading voice of the Sunni Muslim establishment.” It quoted a Muslim cleric: “Al Azhar is the only institution in the world that has learned the moderate Islam and taught it in a moderate way without fanaticism, and without abiding by the teachings of a school that promotes rigidity or violence.”

So why doesn’t al-Azhar declare the Islamic State apostate? Non-Muslim authorities all over the West assume that the vast majority of Muslims reject and abhor the understanding of Islam taught by the Islamic State. Why doesn’t the foremost institution in Sunni Islam validate that assumption? Because they know that what the Islamic State is doing has ample justification in Islamic texts and teachings. The beheadings (Qur’an 47:4); the subjugation of Christians as dhimmis (Qur’an 9:29) or the massacre of Christians who refused to submit (Qur’an 9:5); the sexual enslavement of infidel women (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50, 70:30) — it’s all there.

“Why does Egypt’s largest Muslim beacon, Al-Azhar, refuse to declare IS ‘apostate’?,” by Taha Saker, Egypt Independent, April 14, 2017:

After the Islamic State (IS) militant group declared its responsibility for Palm Sunday’s deadly attacks that targeted two Coptic churches in Egypt’s Delta and Alexandria city, several media figures and organizations launched severe attack against Egypt’s largest religious institution, Al-Azhar University, considering its teachings as fostering religious extremism.

Through these outlets, Al-Azhar is now facing the backlash of taking part in supporting the IS-affiliated members through its insistance [sic] to refuse considering the IS group as ‘apostates’ and through maintaining some extremist teachings in the syllabuses that are taught to its students.

The backlash criticized the educational syllabuses that are being currently taught in Al-Azhar institution that include teachings from some prominent clerics. These teachings directly incite the brutal killing of anyone who does not follow Islam or who had been deemed to be an ‘infidel’.

The criticism, released from those figures and other media outlets, accused the aforementioned teachings of Al-Azhar by increasingly contributing to generate numerous members affiliated to IS.

Moreover, Al-Azhar’s teaching are perceived by some as the main platform that legitimizes the killing and slaughtering which are currently being practiced by IS group in different parts of the world, in the name of Islamic (Sharia) law….

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COMMENTS

  1. mortimer says

    April 16, 2017 at 1:14 pm

    A LEADING SAUDI CLERIC ENDORSES ISIS DOCTRINES – Sheikh Adel al-Kalbani
    A former imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Sheikh Adel al-Kalbani, has said that the Islamic State (IS) group follows the same brand of Islam as officially espoused by Saudi Arabia.
    “We follow the same thought [as IS] but apply it in a refined way,” he said. “They draw their ideas from what is written in our own books, from our own principles.”
    The cleric said that “we do not criticise the thought on which it (IS) is based”.

    It is clear from the above statement that ALL SALAFI CLERICS who endorse the DOCTRINES OF ISIS are in effect ISLAMOPHOBIC.

  2. EmHotep says

    April 16, 2017 at 1:20 pm

    Help us in Turkey erdogan has started to hunt opposition people, NO vote has won but they are changing the votes by force @RealDonaldTrump

  3. gHari says

    April 16, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    Let’s face it, ISIS has destroyed Islam.

    Now everybody knows there’s something wrong with them there folks.

    • gravenimage says

      April 16, 2017 at 11:12 pm

      There are all too many in denial who think ISIS has nothing to do with Islam–and all too many Taqiyya artists to assure them that this is so.

  4. mortimer says

    April 16, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    HERE’S THE ANSWER FROM ISLAM’S LEADING AUTHORITY, AL AZHAR, BUT IT’S INCOMPREHENSIBLE…

    Basically, ‘if we condemned ISIS, we would have to kill them”…

    During an open discussion at Cairo University held on December 2, 2015, Dr. Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Sheikh and Grand Imam of Al Azhar — and thus Egypt’s foremost authority on all things Islamic — was again asked why Al Azhar refuses to issue a formal statement denouncing the Islamic State of lapsing into a state of kufr, that is, of becoming un-Islamic, “infidel.”

    “Al Azhar cannot accuse any [Muslim] of being a kafir [infidel], as long as he believes in Allah and the Last Day—even if he commits every atrocity,” adding: “I cannot denounce ISIS as un-Islamic, but I can say that they cause corruption on earth. ISIS believes that those [Muslims] who commit the great sins are kafirs and can be killed. Thus if I denounce them of being un-Islamic, I fall into the same [trap] I am now condemning.”

    http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2015/12/03/al-azhar-cannot-denounce-isis-of-being-un-islamic-even-if-isis-commits-every-atrocity/

      • No Fear says

        April 17, 2017 at 3:59 am

        Imagine if Hitler wrote a book that said “Hitler is the perfect example”. No one would take the book seriously. One would have to be an idiot to believe it.

        Imagine if Mohammed wrote a book which said “Mohammed is a perfect example”. All muslims say that book is perfect! If one does not agree then one is deemed to be kuffar!

    • gHari says

      April 16, 2017 at 2:42 pm

      The convoluted abrogated logic they have to deal with leaves them hog-tied. Reminds me of every time I laugh inside when I think about all the ‘scholars’ who pour over the hodgepodge.

      Get serious boys, you went from a hundred thousand to four thousand in the Hadiths – why would there be such a mountain of bogus tales and exaggerations? Why?

      When all you have are words, then juggling is all you can do.

    • gravenimage says

      April 16, 2017 at 11:18 pm

      “Al Azhar cannot accuse any [Muslim] of being a kafir [infidel], as long as he believes in Allah and the Last Day—even if he commits every atrocity”
      …………………….

      That’s Islam in a nutshell–peaceful Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and Atheists should be slaughtered for not believing in Allah, but those committing every atrocity are Muslims in good standing.

      God, I hate Islam.

  5. Rob says

    April 16, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    Let’s not forget that a female Al Azhar academic also encouraged the rape of infidel women as ‘the best way of humiliating them’.
    That’s NOT passive acceptance of Isis but active encouragement of their horrors.

    • gravenimage says

      April 16, 2017 at 11:21 pm

      Exactly, Rob. It is not just that Al Azhar will not condemn ISIS’s actions–in almost all cases, they actively *condone* them. And how could it be otherwise? They both follow Islam, and the model of the vicious “Prophet”.

  6. salim says

    April 16, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    Al Azhar does what its supposed to do: to teach and protect Islam and the Arabic language. It did exactly that for centuries. I know Al Azhar very well and its graduates do know Islam very well.

    It may surprise you here that there are Muslims who believe Al Azhar has actually become too liberal and ‘appeaser to the west’.

    Why blame Al Azhar? most Muslims I spoke to (in the Gulf, Egypt and Jordan) believe ISIS may have made mistakes (in implementing Islam) but certainly cannot be described as infidels to please the enemies of allah.

    • Jack Diamond says

      April 16, 2017 at 5:31 pm

      Considering Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman was a head of Qur’anic studies there, considering Abdullah Azzam had a PhD in Islamic Jurisprudence from Al-Azhar, or that other illustrious alumni include Hamas co-founder Ahmed Yassin, and al-Habnani, founder of Hizb ut-Tahrir….of course, the beacon of Islamic learning cannot call the Islamic State apostate.

  7. james.mich says

    April 16, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    If ISIS follows the same religion as Saudi Arabia, it cannot be true that ISIS is not representative of Islam. Unless SA is to be condemned as not really Muslim. And if ISIS is representative of Islam, why should anyone tolerate the Islamisation of the West ?

  8. Benedict says

    April 16, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    The ugly face of Mr. Hyde is an inseparable manifestation of Islam and he is easily conjured up – like a snake enticed from its basket – when the learned Dr. Jekyll from Al-Azhar commences his mesmerizing recitations of the Quran.

  9. Donovan Nuera says

    April 16, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    At its Tricentennial in September 1936, Harvard had a procession of deans of ancient universities lead a procession into the convocation; along with Oxford and Cambridge, al-Azhar was given the honor of leading it due to its age: I hope that at the upcoming Quadricentennial that we don’t make that mistake again. Heck, I hope Harvard doesn’t turn into a Madrassa by then the way things are going…(sorry to sound snobbish but Harvard, in the old days, used to churn out ministers and great American patriots that would astound and trigger the undergrad populace today)

  10. David Grisez says

    April 16, 2017 at 8:45 pm

    Former President Barack Obama used to make the false statement that the Islamic State was not Islamic and had nothing to do with Islam. Here in Egypt is the leading educational institution on Sunni Islam in the whole world known as Al-Azahar. This university can not declare the Islamic State as apostates, because the Islamic State is following is following the teachings of Islam. Conclusion, the Islamic State is definitely Islamic. The only difference is that the Islamic State is more strict and more severe and more brutal in it’s application of Islamic law.

  11. Malik says

    April 16, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    What good would come if they did declare them
    aspostate?

    You think ISIS cares.

    Just drop MOAB bombs on them daily.

    Next….

    • gravenimage says

      April 17, 2017 at 12:13 am

      Malik, the question is not whether ISIS cares–it is the admission from Al-Azhar that ISIS is Islamic. This sends a clear message to ordinary Muslims that this savagery is perfectly Islamic, and it alerts any Infidels savvy enough to see what Islam really is.

  12. gravenimage says

    April 16, 2017 at 11:04 pm

    Al-Azhar, the foremost institution in Sunni Islam, refuses to declare the Islamic State apostate
    ………………………………

    Of course, this should surprise no one who understands the tenets of Islam.

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Islam wants to dominate

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